Advice for being the polyamorous partner to a monogamous spouse #Relationships#marriage#polyamory September 13 2017 | Guest post by Angel Giclee Art Print by roxanneart I'm monogamous to my soul. My husband of 21 years recently dropped the Poly bomb. And, I'm sorry poly people, no matter how gently you think you're approaching it, it still feels like a bomb. My husband tried the, "Oh hey, and you can date too! Isn't that something?" Um… no. For me, that translates roughly to, "I don't give a flip who you diddle as long as I get to go out and play." It was probably number two in the top three most painful discussions we had. I love my husband, I'm devoted to our marriage, I have no interest whatsoever in going out with another man and really don't understand why he wants to date/sleep with other women. It's destroying my marriage and any trust and security I had with the only man I've loved, and the father of our girls. Nothing in my life will ever be the same, and I have to live with that every day. And it sucks harder than a Dyson. But he doesn't want to lose his family, and God help me, I still love him, so I'm staying. He'll have his happiness, the girls will have their family and home intact, and I'll learn to live with it. I'm making the best of a worse scenario. "For better, for worse" aren't options you get to cherry-pick when you get married. That being said, there are some things you can do if your monogamous spouse agrees to open your marriage: 1. Don't constantly sing the praises of your lover We know we're no longer the only one in your heart, no longer your only, best, and beloved. Rubbing our noses in it doesn't help us accept what feels like a demotion. 2. Don't treat us as an obligation I can't tell you how many poly books and blogs stress "your existing obligations," and how you need to give equal time and care to existing relationships. We're already dealing with the revelation of your new love interest, being made to feel like an obligation makes it worse. 3. Don't "date" us because you feel you have to Don't throw us leftover passion from your dates. "Here, I just had amazing sex with the love of my life. I know you need sex too, so I'll let my passion for X spillover on you." 4. Don't tell us to "get over it" When we try to tell you we're scared/hurting/lonely, don't tell us we're jealous and to get over it. And the whole "I'm not responsible for your feelings" poly mindset sucks. Also don't tell us to go find someone of our own. I'm monogamous. Period. 5. Don't treat us as Old Faithful, fallback, Plan B Don't come seeking us out to entertain you when plans fall through with your sweetie. I joyfully jumped on this a couple of times, and spent a miserable evening with someone who really didn't want to be with me as much as they wanted a diversion. Also, don't use us as a diversion when your sweetie is out with someone else. Watching you check your phone every 10 minutes isn't great fun. 6. Don't try to make us over into your new sweetie Don't buy us things your new lover likes, make us food they like, or take us places they like. Also, don't take your sweetie to our favorite haunts. At least leave me one or two things that are special reminders of us. 7. Realize that we're not a sure thing My loving you and being devoted to making our marriage work isn't a sure thing. And if you do stop loving me, tell me. Let me go. We're in the middle of his first truly deep "falling in love" thing, and it's painful and scary and lonely and sucks. I keep hoping it gets better. Shit. I think I may be non-monogamous. Now what? I can't deny it. I feel strong pulls to be emotionally, and perhaps down the road, physically involved with other men with whom I've developed emotional connections. I recently told… Read More Are poly and sex-positive people really "obsessed with sex"? Many (if not most of us) who are polyamorous, swinger, or in any kind of open relationships, have been told we are "obsessed with sex." But are we really? Okay,… Read More Parents going poly: how to begin a polyamorous relationship when you already have kids I am part of a couple who is considering bringing a third person into our relationship -- not just in a relationship, but fully integrated into our family. As three… Read More Reporter Name * Reporter Email * Original text Enter the original text here. Edited text* Enter your suggested copyedit here. Notes You can add a note for the editor here. * Required information. Fix Typo Angel PREVIOUS There is no one perfect birth and postpartum model NEXT One clip-on chandelier with endless style Show/Hide comments [ 82 ] I just wanted to send you some love. You sound like you're really hurting right now. I hope you have a good support system because nothing about this situation looks easy. 66 agree Reply It doesn't sound like this arrangement is bringing you anything but pain. If I were in your shoes I would probably ask myself if saving the marriage is worth it. You deserve to be happy (and your children deserve a happy mom). Yes, divorce sucks, but it gets better in time and then you can find a relationship that works for you. I wish you the very best, whatever you choose. 161 agree Reply I have nothing to say about your poli-situation, except maybe thank you for bringing us an honest perspective of someone struggling on the other side of things. I just wanted to send you a really big hug and tell you that you're not alone (in life, I mean) because you sound hurt. Also, I admire you for trying hard and sincerely. 39 agree Reply If he has raised the issue, it means he is already practising the deceit and deception. (and spending money and time with the other woman/women. So it's time to send him packing. Get a lawyer, fight over pensions, house ownership debts and custody and start a new life. Your girls will adjust, and they can make their decision on how to respect/disrespect their father. As a long time counsellor, it's rare if this issue resolves easily, even with promises not to continue etc. etc. The trust has been broken. There is help on how to settle up and let him go his way. Larry Hurley Licensed Wedding Officiant Sent with Mailtrack 24 agree Reply … that's not necessarily true at all. People often raise the issue because they want to date someone else but DON'T want to engage in deceit and deception. 47 agree Reply THANK you. I hate it when people say that something was brought up only because the other person was already lying. In point of fact, I think YOU are right. Maybe they do have someone else in mind or maybe they're just looking to start looking, but they don't want to be dishonest, so they're talking to you first. Trust has not necessarily been broken, and saying that it has implies that any poly relationship has no trust whatsoever. This doesn't mean she should or should not divorce her husband. She seems unhappy, and she'll have to decide for herself whether she can live in this arrangement, but implying that her husband is already lying has no evidence or merit whatsoever. 19 agree Reply Though not necessarily true in other poly relationships, the OP specifically says trust has been broken: "It's destroying my marriage and any trust and security I had with the only man I've loved, and the father of our girls." 15 agree Reply I am in a similar situation and need to make some serious decisions. I go back and forth to no where. Can you help me? Reply I second all of the people who say that you sound absolutely miserable. This is your call, your marriage, and your life, but I cannot see anything good in your words. I see a lot of anger and bitterness and pain. Is that what you want your kids to see? How do you think your bitterness will affect your husband's desire to give you the things you want and need? You have all of my sympathy and I hurt for you. Don't feel like just because you made the choice to stay, you can't change your mind. Don't stay just because you feel like you have to because you said "for better, for worse." Your marriage vows are supposed to tie you to a helpmate, not an anchor. If you still want to stay, get into some counseling. Please. 83 agree Reply I hate to say this, but it sounds like he gets all the "perks" and you get nothing in return. It sounds emotionally toxic for you. I don't have any advice to add to yours, or to pass on, you know your relationship best. But when reading your submission, my heart went out for you. 92 agree Reply Thank you for writing about this part of polyamory. Since being poly is still largely taboo in our society it seems like when it is discussed/ written about the story is usually centered on the poly person and how they've made a happy life for themselves. This had to be incredibly hard for you to write and I am sorry you are so hurt. I hope you have people in your life that you can talk to about this. This is probably the kind of topic that many partners have to bear in silence due to the stigma and I am sorry for that. 39 agree Reply I agree. I'd kind of like to hear from other couples in a similar boat. Especially a poly person with a mono partner. How did that work? Did it end happily? If so, do you have any tips or advice for the OP? 11 agree Reply When my current relationship started my boyfriend was in a poly relationship. That wasn't something I had ever really been interested in, but I had just gotten out of a long and shitty relationship, wasn't looking to seriously date anyone, and figured "why not?". Naturally, we both caught feelings and I decided to give it a try and see where things went. I think we did a pretty good job around communicating necessary information without sharing too much and respecting each other's time and (for lack of a better term) commitments. I also did a lot of reading about being poly and tried to really look at my reservations, but I eventually came to realize that a committed, long-term poly relationship just wasn't for me. I ended up (again, for lack of a better term) lucking out because around the same time my boyfriend realized his feelings for his other partner had changed and that, while he didn't have a problem being in a poly relationship, it wasn't something he needed to be happy. It sounds like the author's husband is doing pretty much everything wrong and not respecting their relationship or her, which is not going to work out well unless things change. Generally, though, I was happy to have had the experience I had. It made me really think about what I wanted from my relationship and forced me to talk about it with my partner. 29 agree Reply I was in the same situation but on the other side – in a poly marriage when I started dating my monogamous boyfriend. The marriage fell apart (turns out I don't actually like sharing, and my husband wasn't able to prioritize me in the way I needed) and I ended up in a monog relationship with my boyfriend (who had had the ability to date other people the whole time but just, hadn't. I think he liked having all that free time, haha. Probably wishes he had it back, some days!) 6 agree Reply It does sound like you're having second thoughts about this marital arrangement, but only you can decide whether this is a marriage worth saving. I will, however, emphasize that you get tested for STIs regardless of your ultimate decision, especially if you're unsure about the number of women your hubby's been sleeping with. 24 agree Reply YES. Monogomy serves a greater purpose – your health and wellbeing. I would nix unprotected sex completely if you stay – including oral. No joke. 26 agree Reply Monogamy in no way ensures sexual health/wellbeing – there are plenty of monogamous people who get STIs, and there are plenty of nonmonogamous people who don't. While I agree 100% that the OP should consider whether she needs to take additional steps to protect her sexual health, saying that monogamy serves the "greater purpose" of avoiding STIs is frankly inaccurate and insulting. 23 agree Reply Yep. I got an STI from my faithful husband in our monogamous relationship after we had been together for years. (Oral herpes can be spread to other places. The more you know!) The stigma here is not helpful for either poly people or monogamous people who end up in a situation like mine. Open communication is important, but decisions shouldn't be made purely based on fear. 14 agree Reply True, but isn't the risk higher if you know for certain your partner is sleeping with others? Also, oral herpes could be transmitted from a long-term faithful partner. The herpes virus can be dormant for years before it presents with symptoms. 8 agree oh, hun. Nothing about this sounds nice or considerate or sensitive on your husband's part. It sounds like he is taking advantage of your love and monogamy and using you to do whatever he wants. If you're not okay with polyamory, in your own relationship, that's more than okay to say. It's not for everyone. And if he can't give you what you want and deserve, you can put your foot down. As hard as that would be, you deserve more from a partner–poly or not. Every poly relationship I've known has been equally respectful of every relationship; spreading more love instead of doling it out in a limited supply. It certainly does not sound like he's respecting you or treating you with the love and affection he should. Sorry, but he's doing it wrong. You don't have to put up with it. 48 agree Reply This does not even sound like poly to me–this sounds like he wants justification for cheating, and is trying to clear his conscience for being a total jerk. He wants to have his cake and eat it, too. I don't personally know of couples in a poly relationship, but from everything I've read it's based upon mutual respect and if one person doesn't want to do it, they either don't do it or start to work through feelings in counseling. Respect is always #1! When I read this, my heart broke for you because you are doing everything you can to be a loving mother and wife, while your husband is running around like a 22 year old playboy. Please, consider therapy to help you through this and know this is much worse than "for better or for worse." If you are looking for justification for leaving, you by all means have it. Sending so much love your way from an internet stranger. 74 agree Reply HiAlmost 40 years ago I was in a relationship that I thought was going to end in wedding bells and the whole family thing. I was 23 at the time and I guess still naiavely and believed him when he told me I was his 'one and only'.The bombshell came just before Christmas of 1979 when he told me that his 'ex' had walked out of her marriage taking her 6 year old with her. His ex and child had nowhere to go, (?), so he was letting her stay until the new year.(She was genuinely his ex, I knew her second husband, a work collaegue).January of 1980 she was still in his house, separate bedrooms, (who was he trying to kid?), and this went on until March.By that time I discovered I was pregnant and in a last face to face with him he tried to get me to accept a polygamous relationship with him and his 'not so ex'!I refused and we parted company and I didn't see him again until the November of 1980. He saw me, with his daughter, on the train station when his train pulled into the station.He chose not to get off the train and talk to me or meet his daughter. I never saw him again, and he never met his daughter. I learnt, through joint friends, that he had moved up to Birmingham then gone abroad.I brought our daughter up alone and it was the best decision I ever made. (I heard that his 'ex' had left him just before the move to Birmingham!). Being polygamous is not for me, if that suits some people, fine, but I knew in my situation, ťhat it was just feeding his ego and I wasn't going to do that.Yes I deprived my daughter of a father but she has turned out to be a very balanced, loving, caring adult, happily married with 4 lovely children. Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 12 agree Reply Doesn't sound like you deprived your daughter at all, sounds like you saved her from some major emotional turmoil!! 8 agree Reply Hi, so, maybe I'm missing something, but it sounds like he gave you a polyamory or divorce ultimatum. That's not how polyamory works, or at least not healthy polyamory. That's just cheating and telling you about it (in detail, it sounds like.) I don't know if divorce would make your life better, but I think it would have been more ethical for him to divorce you than put you in this terrible position. This really sucks, I'm sorry this is happening to you. 105 agree Reply I feel like I am in a similar situation. I think my wife is honest about feeling like she needs to be able to have romantic relationships with other people to be true to herself. And after she recognized that an online friendship had turned romantic, she told me. But I never consented to it, I am not comfortable with the version of polyamory that is just, "I want to have deep romantic relationships and sex with other people while you keep the home, make the money, raise our child, are there for more emotionally etc." So we are in a no win situation. She loves me and wants to be with me forever, but trying to cut off a part of herself is making her a miserable partner, who yells and hurts all the time. I don't want that, but I also don't want the alternative where she basically takes the things that I consider special about my relationship with her and shares them with whoever she wants whenever the mood strikes her. I don't even feel like it's "polyamory or divorce" – because that kind of polyamory is not something I can accept. It's divorce because she is cheating and that hurts too much or divorce because she hurts so much that she can't be the person I love. 🙁 3 agree Reply Is it me or does he sound like he doesn't care about your feelings? You sound so broken and miserable and he's rubbing his happiness in your face/trying to turn you into someone else/treating you like sloppy seconds. He may be the father of your girls but he doesn't deserve to treat you like that. I'm sorry you're going through this. 39 agree Reply Granted I'm not poly and I haven't been in an experience where this has come up, I feel like your husband is just using polyamourous as an excuse to have his cake and eat it too. He gets to not deal with breaking up a relationship with his wife / mother of his children and he gets to have his girlfriend on the side. I feel like some of the people who have expressed their experiences with the poly lifestyle on this site sound completely different than what you presented your husband as. I am sorry that he treats you as a secondary relationship and that you are hurting. 24 agree Reply Your bitterness over this situation is palpable. This doesn't read as an article of good advice but rather the venting over how unhappy you are in this situation. I'm truly sorry that this is hurting you so much. No one should have to feel unhappy or unsafe or unfulfilled in their partnership. You deserve to have your needs met just as much as he does, and you need to consider what that means for you, now and into the future. I echo other readers in saying that this situation is not serving you, is emotionally unhealthy, and that you would likely be best served by considering whether this is sustainable for the duration of your life with your spouse. Because if you are unhappy and bitter about your partnership with him, that is going to spill over into your home life and even if you don't directly say anything, your children will pick up on that slow poison creeping through your marriage and it will affect their lives as well. And I would ask Offbeat Home to find a poly/monog pairing that is happy and healthy and ask them to write an article with sound advice. Those pairings *DO* exist and I would much rather read advice from them than from someone who is so obviously hurting and unhappy with the situation. An article filled with "do's" from people making it work well is a lot more useful to readers than an article filled with "don't's" from people who aren't happy. 48 agree Reply Well said! 2 agree Reply "And I would ask Offbeat Home to find a poly/monog pairing that is happy and healthy and ask them to write an article with sound advice. Those pairings *DO* exist and I would much rather read advice from them than from someone who is so obviously hurting and unhappy with the situation. An article filled with "do's" from people making it work well is a lot more useful to readers than an article filled with "don't's" from people who aren't happy." Ask and ye shall receive! We have (at the moment) 7 pages worth of positive polyamory content: http://offbeathome.com/tag/polyamory And it sounds like you'd particularly be interested in these: * Why ethical non-monogamy is AWESOME and totally worth the extra effort * Unexpected polyamory and what it taught me about myself * "He's not my husband, he's her husband, but we all really want a loan together": Life as a long-term polyamorist * We are the future: Our post-millenial, Pagan, LGBT, polyamorous family * How scheduling saves our super-busy, polyamorous, multi-household family * What Disney taught me about healthy polyamory In fact, this submission made me realize that all 7 of those pages were pretty much saying the same things — which is awesome! So many functional wonderful poly relationships and families. (That's kind of our thing.) So when this submission came in I felt it was an opportunity to give a voice to a different perspective. But no worries: You can always dive into our vast archive of wonderful poly posts full of DOs and happy marriages. 36 agree Reply I think the heart of the comment is that this isn't polyamory — this is one person deciding to open the relationship without the other person's consent, and labeling it as polyamory is a bit of a falsehood. There are struggles when you do enter a poly relationship willingly, but this is so obviously not a joint or thoughtful decision, that it's just incredibly painful to read. 37 agree Reply Yes it's the fact that one partner is NOT poly that makes this situation pretty unique. 4 agree Reply Agreed, Sylvia! It's super unique… even to us! We totally need more one poly and one mono partnership submissions. We don't have enough of those. Just leaving this handy-dandy link here in case any poly/mono couples wanna click and write some words… http://offbeathome.com/submissions 🙂 2 agree Yes! Reading this,alarms in my head started blaring. Not-poly-not-poly-not-poly Labeling sleeping around and rubbing it in your spouses face poly does not make it ok. I feel sorry for the OP and I hope she gets the notion of how she's being deceived by all these comments. 12 agree Reply Thank you for posting this article. Unhealthy relationships aren't exclusive to monogamy. Everyone one of us can do it wrong. 11 agree Reply This line stood out to me: He'll have his happiness, the girls will have their family and home intact, and I'll learn to live with it You shouldn't have to "learn to live with" your marriage. This isn't like him leaving socks on the floor. This is a blatant desire to change the terms of what he promised you when he married you. You have a right to say no, he can't change the terms. Sending love your way. I hope you can find a way to make peace. 64 agree Reply Oh sweetie, I have a heart like a stone, and even *I'm* heartsick over your situation. I'm so sorry. As tempted as I am to offer advice, it's your life, only you can decide what's best for you and your girls. I'll only offer these tidbits: 1 – Marriage is compromise. 2 – Compromising doesn't mean "I get what I want, you get to pound sand." And Angel, I can practically hear the sand grinding between the lines of your post. What your hubby calls "polyamory" sounds like something much more cruel. Naming a wolf "Fido" doesn't make it a dog. You don't have to stay together because of honor…or obligation. Stay together only if it's a healthy thing to do. That's not "cherry-picking" your vows — that's self-preservation. All life forms have that right. Please find a wise counselor you can confide in who can provide you the psychological support you need and can help you sort out whether you would be better off in or out of this relationship. Your pain deserves attending to. 51 agree Reply "Naming a wolf "Fido" doesn't make it a dog." Can I steal this? This is perfect. 3 agree Reply This sounds like the season of Sister Wives when the husband marries a fourth, younger and hotter wife, and insists the whole time that he loves his other wives exactly the same, while absolutely not acting like it (one wife is post-partum and seeing how he treated her and blamed her for her insecurities makes me gag). Whether you call it polygamy, or polyamory, or an open relationship, if it's not a mutually beneficial situation, then it's emotional abuse. Hard talk: staying married to you doesn't necessarily mean he still loves you – it might mean he's afraid of change and stigma. Saying he loves you doesn't necessarily mean he still loves you – demonstrating concern for your feelings and well-being is what love is. 24 agree Reply ugh that guy was such a trash fire. 8 agree Reply He doesn't want to lose his family or he doesn't want to lose you, specifically? Polyamory requires genuinely loving multiple people, not genuinely loving one person while also staying in a relationship with another person for the peripheral things they bring you. When my now-husband (then boyfriend) fell in love with another woman, it was painful and scary and lonely and, yes, sometimes it sucked. And it did get better, when I was able to tell him what I needed in our relationship, and believe deep down in my gut that he was trying his damnedest to make sure I got that. For me, at least, being honest with myself was harder than being honest with him–once I knew what I wanted we could talk about it and figure out how to make it work, but there were a couple false starts when I told him I was okay with things that I was not okay with. (It turned out that I'm okay with pretty much anything as long as I know I'm his priority. If I deep down believe that if and when I need him, he'll be there 100%, every time, then he can love whoever else he wants. Your mileage may vary.) But… if you're lying to yourself, if you're lying to him, if you're saying you're okay with things you're not okay with… no, it's not going to get better. I genuinely believe that lying kills relationships, and lying to yourself kills fastest. Go on a weekend retreat, get a therapist, spend some solid time thinking about you and what you want and what you need and what makes you feel loved. And tell him that, the same way he told you what he wants and needs. Being honest with myself and with my husband is the scariest thing I've ever done. And the most worthwhile. 30 agree Reply I'm sorry. This situation sounds like it's really hard on you and it's not fair that your needs in the relationship aren't being met. As a poly person married to a monogamous person, I can't ever imagine saying to my spouse that he has to deal with my poly-ness, when that wasn't the agreement we made. Even subsequent negotiations he's been steadfast in his belief that extramarital dalliances are cheating and grounds for divorce (though he's softened a little on what defines an extramarital dalliance). It sounds like your husband is getting everything he wants, while you're not getting much of what you want. And while I realize part of what you want is a full time father to your children and a permanent live-in husband (something divorce will most certainly disrupt), it still sounds like, especially emotionally, you're getting the short end of the stick. Is it possible to negotiate better terms? It's not clear how much time you've been given to come to terms with this new situation, but it sounds like a rather abrupt about face from monogamy to an obviously one sided "open" relationship. Still, I'm sorry. It's not easy being the one who is flexible in a relationship, sometimes it feels like we will bend and bend and come so close to the breaking point and yet we still bend until we're in such agony from the flexing that we make look so easy because we love the person we bend for. Sometimes breaking brings release, but maybe we will never know because we just keep bending. And for that I'm sorry. 7 agree Reply Maybe he could agree to delay his poly-adventures until the kids are out of the house, at least? That would give you some time to process things and at the very least, if it ends in divorce, the kids will less affected. 1 agrees Reply A poly + monog relationship CAN work if both parties are happy with the arrangement, but you are not happy at all. This is more an "allowing an affair" relationship. If he *knows* you're this unhappy with it, he's being a selfish ass. If he doesn't- if you've been pretending it's all fine – then you need to actually talk about it. Making a marriage work requires sacrifice and not just from one side- he doesn't get to be poly and have you sit there and take it, just because he decided he feels like it. 22 agree Reply I have three kids, two of whom are girls. I've recently discovered the most powerful, defining personal tool I've ever encountered, and I've been using it a lot lately. It's just the question, "What would I advise my daughter in this situation?" So, looking at your girls- because they WILL internalize your model- what would you say to them, if they were where you are? Sending you so much love and good luck. 40 agree Reply This, and kids pick up on tension. They pick up on stress. They internalize it even when they are not at fault. That's something HE needs to realize. 2 agree Reply I don't get this. If the terms of your marriage included monogamy, and he doesn't want that anymore, and you do, it sounds like your marriage is over. I'm so sorry. 8 agree Reply I have a LOT of poly friends. Poly can and does work, but this relationship sounds unhealthy. Your partner should not be treating you less because they have another love. This relationship may not fail, but it seems like there's a lot of work that need to be put in to make it healthy and happy for everyone involved 7 agree Reply Many polyamorous couples give the primary partner "veto" power, especially when opening up for the first time. Take your power back. Has he done these things? Taken her to your places? Given you sloppy seconds? Used you as a diversion when she cancels? Made you her favorite foods? Treated your decades-plus, mother of his children relationship as an "obligation"? Because FUCK NO, NOT OK. You can exercise veto power, regroup, find a polyamorous-supportive couples therapist and shut this shit down for a while. If he wants to keep his family and his new partner truly experiences "compersion" (or pleasure that her partner is feeling loved, respected and cared for by another) then this new partner should respect your veto, your boundaries, and status as primary and INSIST he do this emotional labor to make things right. 17 agree Reply Just wanted to note that veto power, in many poly circles, is called "couple's privilege". Some couples do it, but more in open marriages than in poly ones. There is a difference between stating healthy boundaries for yourself (such as: taking her to the restaurant where we have regular friday dates is painful to me, please go somewhere else) and stating that "I can nix you anytime I want". Reply Oh wow. This is cutting close to home. Last January my partner of ten years, my husband and father to my children, informed me he was in love with his coworker, but also still me, so he was polyamorus now. He wanted to move her into the garage to be his second wife. He wanted to have kids with her. It was shocking and devastating in ways I can barely articulate. I understand the need to cling to your marriage and your family now matter what. I understand not choosing divorce, even when so many urge you to. I do urge you to see a therapist. It took months of therapy to really find my strength and my priorities. If you are both open to it, couple's therapy might also be a good idea. I recognize your misery, and we both deserve better. We are enough. 20 agree Reply This also hit close to home for me, but I seem to have a very different outcome from most here. I should start by saying I suffer from depression and had "ignored" my husbands needs for quite some time. Not an excuse for what happened, but I was to the point where I would not have blamed him if he had stepped outside our marriage to satisfy his needs. (And I will just say for clarification that my depression is well managed at this point.) So February of 2017 my husband admitted to me that he had fallen in love with a co-worker. We had become friends with said coworker and had even been out to dinner with her and her ex boyfriend. He assured me that nothing regretable had happened yet, but he wanted to tell me before something did as he still loved me and was afraid of losing me. I did a lot of soul searching and research on non-monogamous relationships. One thing he said to me stuck out which was "Who says we can only love one person? and why?". At this point we had been married for 22 years and our youngest child was 18 and in college. I decided that this maybe wasn't the worst thing that could happen, at least he was honest with me. So after much thought and consideration I welcomed his lover (and her daughter) into our relationship with the understanding that we were not going to be splitting up and she would be treated equal. We even discussed the possibility of the two of them having children together. This turned out to be the best decision we made for our relationship. While things did not work out between the two of them and we both ended up heartbroken, we did learn a lot about each other. The most important being open communication. My husband and I have not been fortunate enough to find another commited partner at this point, but we have maintained a much more open relationship and are very much happier than we used to be. That being said, our decision was not very well accepted by our friends and family, but that is a topic for another time. 1 agrees Reply I lived through something exactly like this. My husband brought up the poly conversation and against my wishes was dating within a few months. Or so I thought. I have since found out that he had already been cheating on me for years and had only done this to try to ease some of his guilt. I now have PTSD, a therapist and a divorce lawyer. This is not Poly, this is abuse. 16 agree Reply A slightly more neutral rewrite of this; tried to speak the same lessons while making it more universal and more about communication and respect between partners of a poly person/s: Do ask your partner if they want to hear about other lover/s or not. Respect that choice. If they do want to know, be sure to not hide it. If they do not want to know, respect that. Check in every 6 months/year (amount of time decided together) that they are still in that same heartspace. If you want to be with more than one person, make each person know exactly why you find joy in them. Frequently. Tell them how they are unique, and show it too, because words or deeds alone are not enough. Find out both partner’s love language, and show your love in the way they hear. Listen, care, and show it, or don’t be in a relationship. Jealousy comes from distrust. If your poly partner does not trust you, it is your responsibility to find out why and fix it. If words, deeds, time do not help, try therapy. Your partner/s are your responsibility. If they are hurting, you have done everything to fix it and they are still hurt by you, it is time to be honest and let go. Make space–equal space–for all of your partners. Make them feel valued, in the ways they need to feel valued. Feeling like an irrelevant peice of meat in an endlessly turning rotisserie sucks. It is better to spend a night alone than make your partner feel lonely in your presence. Watching a movie together is bonding for some, dissonant for others. Ask your person if going out or staying in, doing something active or just relaxing makes them feel loved and bonded. Find something that hits both of your buttons.. Do not buy both the same gifts and make sure the places you go and things you do with each partner are different things, because they are different people. Allow /encourage your primary partner to set ground rules with dates with secondary partners: is there someone you don’t want introduced to (such as children), favorite places or some special activities (sexual or platonic) that they do not want to share? Ask. The person you have been with longest should not feel demoted when you meet a new person. If you have a need to demote that person, you shouldn’t be with them, otherwise it is just cruelty, stringing them along. If you meet two partners at the same time, and feel equally strongly about them, find ways that they are different, and ways that each is special to you, and tell them, and make it clear to them that they matter. Conversely, by taking your first partner to spots shown to you by your new person, you are disrespecting both relationships (unless both partners are open to/excited by/have given enthusiastic consent to..)Yes, poly is HARD WORK. Frankly, most of these things should be done in mono relationships too, they just often aren’t . My loving you and being devoted to making our partnership/marriage/relationship work isn't a sure thing. And if you do stop loving me, tell me. Let me go. This is true for the first/primary partner as well as the secondary or tertiary partner. Treat people well, see people as individuals who are treasured or let them go. 30 agree Reply *applause* 1 agrees Reply Thanks. This just felt so negative and not what I expect from Offbeat, I felt a very real need to make it less biased and more loving. 5 agree Reply I love what you've written, Didi, and it makes a lot of sense. But, I just want to add that the original post is just as valid because it is her own experience. Yes, it's negative… that's what she's dealing with. It's just as important to examine/discuss relationships that are NOT working as it is to discuss how to make them work. I wonder how many people are struggling with the same issues and trying so hard to be "okay" with the idea of poly, but sacrificing their own happiness and well being. This is an important story to share and I'm grateful Offbeat brought it to the forefront; otherwise we'd just be echoing to ourselves in a "poly is wonderful" bubble. 15 agree Reply This. So much "this". It's important to be open to everyone's perspective and experience. Positive or negative, it's just as valid. And yes, Didi also did an excellent re-write. 5 agree Ooh, Didi! This is awesome! Would you mind if we published this as a separate post? 2 agree Reply I would love it! Would prefer to fix some typos/grammar first. And yes, of COURSE what this poster wrote is valid. I wouldn't have written anything if she had said "here is what I am going through" rather than implying "here is what all mono folks in a poly relationship feel". Her story is deeply personal, painful and important; it resonated deeply with many of us. I only tried to make a rewrite that matches the title. Reply Awesome! If you want to make edits to it first then just go ahead and submit it to us through this link when you're ready: http://offbeathome.com/submissions Thank you!!! Reply I cringed SO HARD at the "your emotions are not my responsibility" line. That is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE, especially when it comes to the primary partner. I'm not poly or open (and I wouldn't use poly to describe this, myself, but open seems more appropriate), but this goes against everything my friends in healthy open relationships believe and practice. You aren't poly, and it really seems like you've been bullied into this. Poly people are responsible for awareness and management of their emotions, and for communicating problems, changes, injuries, and renegotiating boundaries with their partners. This is true for you (and pretty much any monog people in any relationship), but this doesn't absolve other partners of their responsibilities to you and your boundaries and feelings. And you seem like your boundaries have been very much violated, and he DGAF. Your husband doesn't seem to understand that the foundation of a healthy relationship is in boundaries and respecting them. This goes exponentially more in open and poly relationships because it's so easy to hurt people. The total lack of respect that this dynamic you're describing involves is extremely unhealthy. It sounds like he came and told you "I'm poly and want to sleep with other people and I don't care whether you like it or not. Deal with your own shit because I'm not going to." And whether that was what was intended, that really seems to be how you feel about it! At the very least, you and your husband need to sit down and have a very explicit negotiation about boundaries, priorities, respect, and limitations. It's not sexy, it's not fun, and it may not be happy, but it's integral and it's vital. If you can't have that, or he can't adhere to your agreements, then he's cheating and you've got some more decisions to make. 8 agree Reply Before you torture yourself about having said the four words "for better or worse," didn't he say four OTHER words, like "Love, honor, and cherish"? When does he honor THOSE vows? This ain't poly. It's not even an open marriage. Those are agreements – meaning everyone involved is on the same page. This is selfishness. This is having an affair, and then calling it poly only because he turned off his deception filters. Thing is, the compassion filters got turned off, too. So you get saddled with all the bad feelings. And he refuses to own any of that. That's starting to sound like gas lighting to me. The example you set will be the lesson your girls learn. THAT would be a way better tattoo than 'But I was honoring my vows…' Your daughters need a strong, wise role model more than they need a stoic, suffering martyr. You're a mighty chick, OP. Use that strength for some righteously positive problem-solving! Get thee to therapy and figure out the best way to solve your problem. Y'all need some "agency" in your life! Go get some! 15 agree Reply Wow. You both made an agreement to each other when you got married, and your particular agreement did not involve non-monogamy or even the possibility for such a shift, right? I personally think he's allowed to request that you reassess the terms of your marriage as partners and allies, given that people can and do change over the course of a lifetime, but if you both can't fully and joyfully agree to the new terms…this is not something you should learn to live with. Relationships of any type only work when both people want the same thing. You do NOT want the same thing anymore. There is always more than one side to a story, but the picture painted here is painful to look at: a man who wants to have connections with other women (which is a valid desire, in my opinion) but who is treating his wife so poorly in the process that it borders on abuse. A man that perhaps did not ask to discuss his feelings and see if there is any way to make room for them with both people on board, but instead told his wife what their marriage vows now mean. A man that is seemingly oblivious to the impact his behavior is having on his wife, and dishonoring her truth and experience, making it impossible for her to trust and confide in him. It doesn't seem possible for both people to be in partnership any longer. You are suffering so much. It's a tough call about your kids. My parents stayed together even though their relationship fell apart while I was in utero. I had a stable family life and two devoted parents and it really served me well…but now I'm 32 and seeing the toll it's taken on both of them, especially my mom, is absolutely heartwrenching. There is still damage done to me by their decision. It's a pretty big part of my life now. It has somewhat traumatized me as an adult child to slowly discover what really happened to them all those years, shaking the foundation of what I thought was real, what I thought love was, and marriage. I didn't know the full extent of what happened until I was in my late 20s but I picked up on things here or there as a child and a teenager, and I'd be lying if I said my aversion to monogamous marriage wasn't impacted by their decision to *stay together for me*. He is not going to stop. He is crazed off of the infusion of new love and new relationship energy and testosterone in his bloodstream. The only person that can advocate for you is yourself, OP. So sorry to hear all this. This is not polyamory. 5 agree Reply I have seen poly done well, even with a monogamous person in the mix and this is not it. I am worried about you, Angel, and your kids. Just because one partner falls in love with someone else, does not mean that person has the right to change all the rules on their own terms. You get to make rules too. If your partner can't respect your rules and listen to your feelings, well that isn't love or healthy. Maybe your husband is a good man who loves you, but if he doesn't know that you are miserable then how can he help you? Perhaps you should send him the link to this article and tell him you feel EXACTLY like this and what are the two of you going to do about it? His answer will tell you if your marriage is over or still has a chance. Best of luck and know that we are all rooting for you. 4 agree Reply I am speechless no one said this but the last point, come on… "My loving you and being devoted to making our marriage work isn't a sure thing. And if you do stop loving me, tell me. Let me go." Then maybe show that you're not a sure thing, cause form the list it surely looks like you'll take it all not to lose a resemblance of the family nucleus that worked before the other party decided they wanted "more". He changed the rules, then feel free to set some of your own, not just making lists of what upset you of this new situation, but making rules and boundaries just as he did by introducing the new "dating and falling outside of the couple". She mentions taking new dates to "their places" and of course this would be upsetting, then maybe make it a rule that's not an option? I mean, you endure him have sex with others, he can endure standing some of your rules too. 6 agree Reply I am a poly partner with a monogamous spouse and your artice indicates that your relationship was not read to go the poly route. There seems to be alot of confusion and frankly you sound like you are settling. COMPROMISE is not SACRIFICE. "It's destroying my marriage and any trust and security" "Nothing in my life will ever be the same, and I have to live with that every day. And it sucks harder than a Dyson." "But HE doesn't want to lose his family…He'll hhWave his happiness, the girls will have their family and home intact, and I'll learn to live with it." NO NO NO NO. What about YOUR happiness? What about YOUR security? If this situation is destroying your marriage and YOU it is not worth it. The "tips" here seem like venting about what is off with your situation. Not what went wrong and how you two have figured things out. You sound hurt, sad and lonely. You sound like an unhappy women stuck with unfaithful husband who wants to keep her family together. This is not poly. Your husband may still love you but what he is practicing here does not sound like polyamory by the result it sounds like emotional manipulation and misplaced attention. "Get over it" and "not being responsible for people's emotions" is not a poly mindset it is HIS mindset. Poly can work but this clearly isn't for you. You tried it for the sake of your family and it isn't working. Compersion is not you. You can set boundaries and rules too. You will be happier alone. 5 agree Reply Sigh. This has given me some flashbacks to childhood. My Mother's second marriage. He was poly. Mom, I'm uncertain. One of their agreements was his relationships outside the family were cool as long as it didn't impact the family. But, they did. Obviously, I didn't know their deal at the time. Something felt off as a child in the household. New close family friends appearing and then disappearing. Family plans where he wouldn't be there at the last moment. Trips to museums and movies with other families where he and the other parent would leave us bewildered at the event with these unfamiliar children. Asking my Mom what she was taking a prescription for and her careful explanation that sometimes when your spouse was ill, you would need to take medicine too to avoid getting ill. We felt the tension, and unreliability. They were in therapy, together and apart. Ultimately, whatever their agreement, the marriage failed. He found a "love of his life". But long before that time, we daughters had learned not to trust or rely on this father figure. As adults, we continue to struggle with healthy relationships. The family will suffer when the foundation of the adults relationship is shaky. 7 agree Reply "It was probably number two in the top three most painful discussions we had." If this was number two, I shudder to think what number one was. 6 agree Reply OK Offbeat Home. I understand the reason for posting this (showing the other side of poly, that not any kind of relationship is perfect, that toxic relationships exist in all forms), but I think this is a little bait and switch. The title seems to make the article neutral and is not fair to the author, who clearly is using this as a way to express her pain that her husband is causing her. Labeling it as "advice" is implying that these things happen to all poly/mono couples, and not that this is an abuse of the idea of polyamory. I think it does polyamory a disservice to try to market the article this way. 3 agree Reply If someone abuses the claim of an offbeat lifestyle to abuse their partner, I think it belongs on Offbeat home and life. Yes, her hurt and anger are obvious, but there is true advice in there as well. To reject it, because it isn't a happy story, or because it does polyamory a disservice, would be unjust. He husband is the one doing polyamory a disservice. She is not doing polyamory a disservice, and her writing is not doing polyamory a disservice. It's the asshole husband who is doing that. She deserves to be heard, and her message should be considered. Don't blame the victim, or the platform giving a voice to the victim. 8 agree Reply I'm not doing either of those things. I'm saying that the title of the article paired with the content is not doing it justice. The title is implying that these things she is hurting over should be expected in a mono/poly relationship, and that is not the case. 3 agree Reply This just sounds like cheating. The title to this was misleading, I am so sorry for your pain though. Reply OP…..I have been here. I cannot tell you how much I feel your pain (a scenario like this ruined my life). The fact of the matter is that humans as a species have an unusual mating pattern. Most species have evolved to fit squarely into a particular niche with respect to mating: either monogamous, or not. One pattern becomes dominant. Most species are non-monogamous, though some are. With humans, there are actually two distributions of mating behavior: some individuals fit into a poly pattern, some into a monogamous pattern. In Western culture, the monogamous pattern has historically been enforced, leading to a lot of unhappiness for the poly camp. The positive thing about the fact that the poly pattern is becoming more openly accepted and widely recognized as a thing is that people can confront this upfront, before entering into a relationship. It should absolutely be the first thing discussed, on the first date, before people fall in love or become entangled with marriage or family. Poly and mono people DO NOT MIX. This should be discussed in sixth grade sex ed along with where do babies come from. The difficulty here is that I suspect there are more men than women who would be on the poly side, leaving a dearth of options for the mono women. Though this may not be the case. Humans are complicated. When a man truly falls in love with a woman, he will not be interested in other women. As much as this hurts, you need to understand that keeping your family together is not the only option. My parents divorced, found other people, and were happy. It was absolutely the best scenario for our family. You do not need to be poly, but you should take this opportunity to seek out a new partner. If I were you, I would not allow my husband to touch me. You deserve the love you desire, in whatever form that takes. Reply to E, to OP- how did you resolve your situations if at all? My husband just told me he is poly and I can't see any way out that doesn't leave me alone, whether we stay married or not. Thank you! And I'm so sorry to hear of your pain. Reply Someone who informs their monogamous partner that they are poly and then sees other people without the freely given consent of their partner is cheating. I’m poly, and in my last relationship my partner told me that he couldn’t do poly… so we were monogamous. For seven years. I loved him, and monogamy was important to him, so I made the decision to be monogamous. Our relationship did end in divorce, but because he became abusive – and that has nothing to do with being monogamous or polyamorous. He was just a jerk. I never cheated. I didn’t even think about other relationships until months after we split. I made a decision to be monogamous with him and that’s what I did. I honestly didn’t see it as any different than how I’m bi and chose to marry a man. Just because my brain gives me more options for who I am attracted to and how I can structure my relationships doesn’t mean I can *only* be happy with having all options at all times. It just means I have more people and dynamics could work for me. I have to wonder how he said he’s poly- did he say it because he cheated? If so, you have every right to call his bluff because that’s not poly, that’s a post hoc justification of bad behavior. It’s diagusting and you don’t need to put up with that. If he brought it up as an exploration of the concept, then it’s a discussion worth having. You have every right to your opinion and needs too! You are allowed to express your needs and thoughts just as much as him. If you don’t feel empowered to speak your truth in your relationship, that isn’t healthy. If you feel your voice doesn’t deserve to be heard, that’s not okay. Please know that no matter what you end up doing and no matter what relationship structure you end up in, your health and happiness are important. 3 agree Reply If he’s doing all these things to you, what a dick. He shouldn’t have his cake and eat it too while you suffer. If he’s not willing to treat you with respect, and has one foot out the door, he doesn’t deserve to pretend it’s all okay. Reply Thank you thank you thank you for writing and posting this. I had the "bomb" dropped on me last week and I have no one to talk to about it. I've been provided with a bibliography of resources to help me come to terms with how normal this is and to help me understand how wrong I am to have feelings that oppose the inevitable, but this is the first piece of writing that speaks to the helplessness and loss I feel today. I'm not here to start any fights or cast aspersions on the choices anyone has made. If there was a group for discussion by people in our situation I'd like to know about it. Reply This article was written from the heart. I, too, had the "bomb" dropped on me in April, and I'm using every fiber of my being to hold it together. We have had two instances in the past 4 months where we almost divorced since he presented me with how he truly is, and what he desires — to "be an adventurer" — just like other people desire hang-gliding or bungee jumping, he wants "sexual adventures". We just 'celebrated' our 28th wedding anniversary, and I can't say it was a particularly joyful weekend. I, like you Boris, feel absolutely helpless and the depression is winning. Having been raised in an emotionally abusive household from my mother, my husband became my best friend, my true confidante who helped me out of that horrible situation. But, ever since he dropped this on me, I feel as if I have no one else to turn to, no support system, no friend. (However, I must say that I have set up an appointment with a therapist next week, so I hope that will help.) I'm monogamous to the core, but I've been reading and trying to understand how not only some people are wired differently, but "marriage" was created — it's 'not in our nature'. Logically I can understand that, but emotionally, it is so difficult — it feels practically impossible to overcome the heartache and pain. I don't want to hear from people responding that he's a horrible person. He's not — he's one of the most generous, kindest people I know, which makes it even more difficult because I don't hate him. Reply I had no idea my comment had garnered response… I'd like to follow up with you and see how you're doing… compare notes. I have many more observations and have a much more nuanced understanding of things than I did in August. Not to say that I am happy about it, but I have a better understanding of a way to go forward and keep our family intact. Still lots of heavy and depressing nights but I feel more hopeful that before. I know I can't make real contact through this page but if you'd like to chat please look me up on Fetlife, my name there is DaddyBoki… I'm thinking of carving out a "Victims of Poly" group there if there is some interest – it's pretty pro-poly community. Reply I've had somewhat of a similar situation transpire during the current week. I am a mono partner in the current polyamorous relationship, which includes my girlfriend and her boyfriend. I had fallen in love with my girlfriend long before I found out about her being poly and I had known about her boyfriend before I agreed to enter into the relationship. About eight months ago we had made the decision for me to enter into the relationship with me and her together and her boyfriend as sort of mine, but more of a friend and was there for emotional support if I needed it. Everything had been going great for the first couple of months before deteriorating. Back around June/July we had come across a problem in communication. We are long distance while her other SO lives with her. She had gotten a job that took up a lot of her time and left little time for us to "spend time together" and to talk about anything since every time I went to speak with her she was either at work or spending time with her friends. It felt like I was being left behind. It had caused me a lot of heartbreak, going as far as breaking down at work and ended up crying in front of everyone, before we eventually talked it out and she made sure that if I wanted to leave the relationship for my happiness I could. I decided to stay. However, a couple of days ago she had brought up the prospect of adding another person into the relationship. I don't know this person and their presence in her life was rather sudden and I felt very shocked. They had only been brought up a few weeks ago by name as a friend and she had suddenly moved in with them about a week or two later. They also live with a mutual friend of ours so I didn't really think much of it at the time. Currently, I've felt extreme emotional pain over my girlfriend finding someone else she liked even though I have been previously okay with her boyfriend. I had broken down at work again, though, I was thankfully able to keep it together this time until I was able to get home. I'm unhappy, scared, and jealous. And while I know that jealousy is the scarlet "J" in poly relationships I can't help what I feel. I don't really know why I feel this way besides maybe that I don't know her? Though, I can't really say by meeting her and getting to know her that I would grow comfortable with her entering the relationship. I really don't know what to do… There's no way to compromise and to figure things out since on one hand she's happy and I'm not or on the other I'm happy and she's not. I know that the "courting" or however else she puts it won't really stop due to my expressed unease and that her and the other girl's feelings for each other won't go away–not that I expected them to–but I'm not sure that I could live with the knowledge of that going on or my guilt over not letting them be together to preserve my own feelings and mental health. I want her to be happy and I still love her and want to be together, but every time I think about it I just feel like I should let go and focus on me than to worry about the relationship and how it might progress. Should we break up or take a break? Should I try to give them a chance even though I would be unhappy? Or is polygamy just not for me? Reply Hi Cyx, Shortly after I wrote my entry, above, I had time alone to think it all through (hubby had gone away for a week). I decided to quit doubting and questioning my feelings and followed my gut. I wrote a long email to him with all the questions that I wanted to ask him (the "why??"). I also decided that if he wanted to go that route, I would have none of it, and we would be over. I felt at peace then, and new this was the right choice for ME and quit putting his feelings first. A strange thing happened, though, and he said he realized he was losing me and decided not to pursue his desire. To be honest, I'm still suffering from the effects of that poly-bomb, and am definitely having some trust issues. Time will tell. In addition, what really did it for me were the weekly emails I received at work (I'm in healthcare) regarding the STD/STI epidemic — "super gonorrhea" and the like. No fucking way was I going down that road, not to mention the emotional/psychological toll that "lifestyle" would take. Your question, "Should I try to give them a chance even though I would be unhappy? Or is polygamy just not for me?" What I want to suggest to you is to go with your gut and what's best for YOU. I remember reading that "if you're willing but not wanting, then it's false consent". Make sure it's something you WANT, not just are willing to do for someone else. Protect yourself — your heart, mind, and soul. Reply Join the conversation Cancel Reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Notify me of follow-up comments by email. 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