On "getting wifed" after getting married #Relationships#identity#marriage#newlyweds June 4 2013 | Guest post by Divamezzo If you've read Offbeat Bride the book, you'll remember the final chapter is called "Getting Wifed," aka dealing with people's expectations about how your life will change after the wedding… Don'ts For Wives should apparently be read immediately upon the end of the wedding reception. (Photo by David E Jackson.) I've noticed something a month after getting married… I feel like I've totally been "getting wifed" recently, and not-so-much by strangers or friends, but by my family, who really should know me better. One of my sisters has asked me a few times "how's married life," even though she knows I lived with my husband before we were married, and nothing much has changed. Still, in that case, I know she's just making conversation, and that part is really not bad. The assumption that now that I'm married I will be a "good girl," have a nice, predictable, stable, practical career that keeps me home most of the time, buy a house, make babies, is baffling. My dad, however, has been saying all kinds of weird stuff to me lately. He felt the need to spend most of his speech at my wedding talking about having babies, which at the time, I really didn't mind that much, plus the whole room had a good laugh at his speech and my reaction. But recently he made a comment that he was glad I was married and "settled down." I answered that I was married, but not-so-much settled down. There's something about the phrase "settled down" that makes me want to pull my hair out. I also remarked that my husband and I are really not sure if or when we will ever have kids, as we have no desire to do so anytime soon. My dad went on to say he hoped I did, and implied that if I didn't have kids and do everything I could for them, I wasn't repaying my parents for everything they did for me. But the big "wifing" stuff came out, when he was making a check out to me, asking which name to use. I told him to use my maiden name/his name and said "You're not changing your name?" "Nope!" "How does David feel about that?" "He doesn't care at all." What bothered me about that conversation is that the notion that a woman "should" change her name is still prevalent, and whenever a woman doesn't, or a family has a naming-arrangement (for lack of a better term) that isn't the traditional woman-and-kid-takes-husband's-name, people assume there must be some controversy around it. Related Post Why part-Vulcans make bad partners I recently came home from a couple's therapy session that left me sweating through every layer of clothing that I had on. It dealt with... Read more Then, when I was talking about some of my long-term opera singing/professional goals and traveling abroad for auditions, my dad felt the need to ask, "Well, how does David feel about that?" I answered that he was supportive and it was something we discussed at length. David was given ample warning ahead of time of the realities of sharing your life with a professional singer. Neither one of us is wild about being apart for likely a month or more at a time, but it's what my career requires, and he wants me to have a career. When I talked to my sister about my hopes to travel to Germany for singing in the near future, she remarked, "but do you really want to do that your first year of marriage?" Whether I want to be away from my husband or not is beside the point: of course I don't want to be away from him, but do I want to follow my dreams? Yes, and he wants that for me as well. I've gotten variations on this "but you're a wife now!" theme from a few people. The assumption people seem to make that I haven't discussed these things with the person I'm arguably closest to and will be sharing my life with is baffling. As is what feels like the assumption that now that I'm married I will be a "good girl," have a nice, predictable, stable, practical career that keeps me home most of the time, buy a house, make babies, etc. Without passing judgement on anyone else's life, (because I don't think that people who work in a more "stable" profession, have babies, or buy a house all have the same, traditional life) it seems so odd to me that, in this day and age, the fact that there are so many different ways to be married, to make a living, or to live your life, is news to so many people. Reporter Name * Reporter Email * Original text Enter the original text here. Edited text* Enter your suggested copyedit here. Notes You can add a note for the editor here. * Required information. Fix Typo Divamezzo I'm a semi-professional opera singer, currently with a day job. I hope to soon be doing less of the day job and most of the singing. I also love karaoke. I'm an avid reader, and love everything from Jane Austen and Dickens to Isabelle Allende to Harry Potter. PREVIOUS A sun-kissed, free-spirited California family photo session NEXT The Path of Names: what would probably happen if Harry Potter was a girl at Jewish summer camp Show/Hide comments [ 142 ] So glad to see this discussion. After a nine-year relationship, my partner and I got married at the end of last year. My job (which I love) also requires that I travel internationally quite often (which I also love). My first month-long trip after we were married happened in April and I got so many of the same incredulous questions–from everyone from colleagues to the tailor who was hemming my pants. "What does your husband think of this? Is he ok with you being away for so long? Won't you be lonely? I didn't think you would keep travelling after you got married!". I completely agree with the author here–we are lucky to live in a place and a time where there are so many ways to be married. Why is this still so surprising? Reply "Ya know, he was pretty chill with it for the first 9 years, so all bets are he's still on board, but thanks for your concern." Reply First off, professional opera singer? AWESOME. Moving on, I'm not married/engaged but the kids thing I totally get, even though I'm not near there at all yet. Your line here- – "I also remarked that my husband and I are really not sure if or when we will ever have kids, as we have no desire to do so anytime soon. My dad went on to say he hoped I did, and implied that if I didn't have kids and do everything I could for them, I wasn't repaying my parents for everything they did for me." That hit home for me very hard. I even told my father that I would like to adopt in order to help a needy child etc and he said "okay but at least have a few of your own, that are actually yours". Since I was dating an adopted person at the time, needless to say that created tension, but even just the idea of "a few" as in many got me rankled as well. I'm glad to see that you have dealt with it in a calm way. Hopefully I can do the same 🙂 Reply I told my mom that I will probably want kids someday, but where I am right NOW (recognizing that possibly tomorrow my biological clock might start screaming) I feel that if my husband and I were unable to produce babies of our own, I don't feel like I would be devastated. Her response, "Well, maybe you just shouldn't have kids then." As if a lack of life-long mommy obsession means that I'll be a terrible mother, locking them in a closet or something. If I point out the option of adoption, she just rolls her eyes and says how expensive it is. And then sends me emails about people she knows who have adopted and how expensive it was. Great. Reply I WISH that was my mother's reaction. Despite my assurances that yes, I probably *would* lock them in a closet, she's convinced that I'll magically turn into June Cleaver if I get knocked up. Reply So much This! The only concievable reason I can think of for having kids is so that they can wash the dishes and take the rubbish out…. maybe do some vacuuming… And even then I don't think it would make up for the mess and noise and 5 YEARS OF ASS WIPING (someone I work with told me about that recently, I'm deeply disturbed) And yet, mothers, and mother-in-laws, and brothers, and sisters, and friends, and grandparents keep asking me when we're going to make with the babies… I honestly don't know what makes them think I wouldn't lock it in a cupboard. Reply Ha yes ! The. 5 years of Ass wiping is very very true! The echoes of "mommy can you wipe my butt" fill my house daily. BTW… You can adopt for FREE. In fact, the state (in the US) will often PAY you to adopt. As in a check every month to help take care of your new child, plus health insurance etc. There are hundreds of kids and babies waiting to be fostered or adopted, many of whom are being constantly bounced around in the system. I know that one of the OBH sponsors is an adoption agency, and if you want to go that route, you often get your pick of the gene pool and the expenses to match. But there are free and low cost options for adopting other kids, some of whom have special medical concerns. The best news is that if you have the kind of heart that could help a kid with a medical or developmental concern, the state will train you in how to work with that specific concern. For free. No income limits or qualifications necessary, no relationship qualifications (you can be a single man or woman, married, living with a partner, gay, straight, whatever) for adoption. Check it out… And email it to your mom 😉 Reply I understand this. How does one answer the "how's married life?" question, anyway? I mean, how does one respond to it other than saying "it's great" or "it's fine" or whatever? So bizarre and I wish people would find more interesting (though also non-prying) questions to ask newlyweds. When I was applying for jobs as a newlywed (my husband and I had both finished our master's degrees just before we married), I was applying all over the place. At the prospect that I might get a job that was in a different place from my husband (albeit as a short-term situation), everyone kept asking "well, how does he feel about it?" Uh, obviously we'd discussed things and decided that it would have been for the best for both of us. As a couple that had spent much of our relationship long-distance, it wouldn't have been a completely new experience or anything. Even now, although I fit into a more stereotypical "housewife" situation (yes, I did take his name, yes, I work at home and also clean, do laundry, and *sometimes* cook), I am starting my own arts business and doing my own thing, which makes me happy. At the same time, once again, I'm getting that annoying "well, what does *he* think of what you're doing?" It makes it seem as though either 1. it's as if I have to get permission now for every action I take, or 2. that they think I wouldn't ever bother to talk things over with my husband. (For the record: he's happy that I'm happy now. And this business was in the works for a while–it wasn't some spontaneous thing, so when it finally clicked that I really needed to do this, it seemed like a natural progression.) Obviously, your husband would have known the kind of lifestyle your job would entail before you got married, so the questions people have asked are absurd. PS: I think it's totally awesome that you sing opera. Reply Totally curious, does your husband (or anyone else's) ever get asked "How does she feel about it?" when he's sharing a decision? Reply Ooh, does this get my panties in a bunch. Hubbington gets asked how I feel about things, but only in relation to domestic -type things, ones which a typical 50s housewife would be opinionated about. Jon told some people he's turning this weird basement room we have into a drum room. I overheard a few people asking, "Oh, really, what does Morgan think of that?" It's equally offensive to assume that he's in charge of all career things ("how do you feel about her traveling for her job") and to assume I'm in charge of all household things ("how do you feel about his drum room"). I think the drum room is going to be epic. We agreed it was the perfect space for it. Just like we agreed I would have a great time working in China for 2 months, and that it would be a great opportunity for him to meet me there so I could show him around after having lived there. Just like we agreed to have an amazing offbeat wedding, or to get married in the first place. So how do I deal with this? I make sure people are educated about it, and I question them. I ask very plain questions (usually without a hint of sarcasm), like, "why would you ask that?" or "what makes you say that?" or "could you say more about what you're really asking?" And sometimes I gently remind them in a joking way that most households are no longer a single-income situation where the power goes with the money, and I jovially say things like, "Well, since it's 2013 and not 1913, we tend to have equal say in matters like this". The "how's married life" thing doesn't bug me. To me it's like people saying, "how's life? Also, I remembered that you got married." But I always answer with, "Well, it's the same. Except I have another piece of paper around." Reply Thank you so much for such a great response! And the drum room DOES sound awesome. Reply Ha – when people ask me how married life is I tell them it's about the same as living in sin. I may have to steal your answer to change it up a bit since some people keep asking. Reply Not much that I know of , but a while back, before we were married, when he decided to take on department head responsibilities, a well-meaning coworker/friend whom we like very much, and I believe his parents, asked if he'd discussed it with me and how I felt about it (as it required extra meetings, extra work, etc). I don't recall him discussing it with me before deciding to do it, but nor do I mind, because, as he said to them "her schedule is so busy, she probably won't even notice that I'm gone a little longer", which is true. I'm proud of him for being a great department head at such a young age, and it's not like we have child care stuff to coordinate, so why would I mind? Plus, it's a little extra money, always good! Reply @Claire: I think sometimes he does get asked "How does she feel about it?" but it's usually about really, really stupid stuff. Example: last fall he went from having a shaggy sort of bowl cut look to having much shorter hair. People kept asking him how I felt about his new haircut. This was stupid, because I cut his hair (with his interest in changing it up), as I have been doing for a few years, now. How do I feel about his haircut? Glad I didn't accidentally cut off his ears, I guess? Glad I didn't mess up too noticeably? Honestly, the things they ask "How does she feel about it" are usually things that really don't bother me in the first place. Another example: some people ask how I feel about him spending time with his female friends without me. Frankly, I don't care–they're his friends (or sometimes friends of both of ours), and I haven't reason to be worried. He can spend time with his friends just as I spend time with my friends. It's a stupid question. Reply "How's married life?" "Ummm….pretty much the same as before we were married, except now I have people asking me that question or trying to insert his last name for mine without asking." Reply "How's married life?" "A little heavier on the left side". We lived together for 3 yrs before we married, so really the only thing that changed was the ring and my name. Reply I've always answered "how's married life?" with a laugh and some variation on "pretty much the same as unmarried life." But we both hyphenated, so people already know we're non-traditional, I think. Reply I'd love to know both of your experiences as a couple with hyphenated names. I've studied (a sociology graduate student) women who kept their names, either through hyphenation or retention without change, but I've never studied men…or a couple where both did this (as most men are unwilling/uninterested). I've thought about doing a study, though this is somewhat difficult given the few men who make this decision. Anyway, if you're ever interested in sharing you and/or your husband's experience, my email is firstname.lastname@example.org. Reply "How's married life?" "Pretty much the same as living-in-sin life." Reply version 2: sex isn't a sin. otherwise, pretty much the same. Reply His parents are uber-Catholic, so for them, we were totally living in sin. For everyone else, it's just a funny old-fashioned phrase that usually gets a laugh. 🙂 Reply Sex is still sinful if you're using birth control 😀 Reply I've used this one too! We've got to reclaim these ridiculous phrases for our own purposes, you guys! Bonus points if you say it in a scary voice! "It's much like living in SIN was. oooOOOoooo!" Reply After being married for nearly 10 years this seems to never go away. I always hated the when are you two going to have kids and pressure from family (even a few friends). I always felt like there's more to me or any woman than just that. It makes me so frustrated (passive aggressively of course) that my husband who is far more bold than I straight out says it's none of anyone's business and stop asking about it. I'm far from settled, working on a variety of ideas and things, a good portion of people have gotten over it but there's always those hold outs. Good luck, and be straight forward. "I'm not ready and I'm not talking about it." or "This is my dream and we respect each others dreams and are supportive of each other, that's why we got married." Reply When they get particularly obnoxious about the "when-are-you-having-kids" question, I usually respond: "When they discover how to have someone else give birth and raise them until the age of 18. Then I will have children." Reply Yes and yes! I hate those questions! "How does he feel about it?" Or being told it's good that I've settled down. My skin quite literally wants to crawl off my body and into a corner when I hear that. Reply This definitely happened to me after our wedding too. Many eyebrows were raised at the fact that he hyphenated while I kept my maiden name – which of course begged the question of what our kids' last name would be, which raised eyebrows further over the fact that any hypothetical-but-not-planned-for-anytime-soon kids would get MY last name! (Let's face it, my name just sounds nicer) It stopped after a few months, though. People just get weird when things change. In a way, it's a bit like when it's your birthday and everyone is all like "how do you feel now that you're [number]?" when really, you feel just like yesterday, except maybe hungover. As an aside: come to Germany, it's nice here! 🙂 Reply actually, it is a two sided coin – which means the other side is different for men. my husband and I have been together over 30 years and while I get "what does your husband think of that" when I travel alone, when he recently bought a motorcycle he got a slew of "what does your wife think of that" questions. questions and comments that assume negativity always make me wonder about the asker's relationships. Reply "questions and comments that assume negativity always make me wonder about the asker's relationships." So much this. Reply At the same time, I understand the motorcycle thing. I think that one is gender-neutral. Every time I buy a new one, people ask me what he thinks of it. LOTS of people ask. The bottom line is motorcycles are a dangerous, potentially deadly activity. A loving partner is naturally concerned about the other partner's safety and well-being… of course he's not crazy about me riding around in crazy LA traffic on something that doesn't have the safety measures a car does. Of course he worries about me. Then again, more gender stereotype stuff comes up when people see it on our garage and assume it's his…. and that I passively ride on the back. Reply "Then again, more gender stereotype stuff comes up when people see it on our garage and assume it's his…. and that I passively ride on the back." A thousand times this! PS We should go riding together 😉 Reply YES! It's also interesting how the riding community responds. I've gotten a lot of, "What, he doesn't ride? How can you be in a relationship/married to someone who doesn't ride?" As if we can't have separate interests and still be a unit. So strange. Reply Okay- I'm guilty of this- but as a gamer. And meeting *so* many couples where the wife is slowly trying to *change* her husbands likes of gaming/anime into "normal" things, just because she doesn't want to get involved in his interests at all(That's so WEIRD!)… I find it disconcerting. Also, I cannot think what they do with their free time- just home-making? When does your brain let go of reality? Only TV? What?!?? Do you even read? You read *biographies*?! But we're in the Harry Potter generation? …… What do you mean you don't like dragons?! *culture shock/mind-blown* The assumption people seem to make that I haven't discussed these things with the person I'm arguably closest to and will be sharing my life with is baffling. I got this during wedding planning, and it was kind of hurtful — it seemed to assume that I was the kind of person who would make important decisions all by myself and announce them without consulting the person she's marrying. OF COURSE we've already discussed it between ourselves. OF COURSE my fiancee agrees, or I wouldn't be requesting a contract / sharing our plans / asking for help executing it. She was doing the same thing, but on other parts of the list; we were speaking individually for Team Us. 'Cause it's a wedding. I don't know whether any of the pushback was really friends and family saying, "What does your fiancee think about that?" while MEANING "I don't like that idea," but it was very strange. Reply Yes! Outside of the Offbeat Tribe, I read a lot of wedding blogs and I'm appalled at the many posts about "how to convince him to dance", "how to make him buy you a big diamond", "how to make him stop him from being such a dumb boy, urgh" (yep, in the world of wedding blogs, men are usually depicted as immature, cheap and stupid, and brides are f*cking princesses). Why do those people get married at all? Reply "How to make him buy you a big diamond"?? Ugh! I didn't even get a diamond, nor did I want one. I got a sapphire, I fortunately only got one rude comment about it from someone I didn't know well, apparently to them, my fiance at least should have gotten me a fake diamond. I love my sapphire ring and still wear it with my wedding band. Reply Yay for non-diamond rings! I have an amethyst (I specifically said I *didn't* want a diamond), and I love it, and wear it with my wedding band! I was lucky enough not to get too many "what, it's not a diamond?" reactions — my favourite reaction was actually my one aunt, who said, "Oh, good, it's not a diamond!" Reply Yay not diamonds! Reply Sapphire solidarity fist bump! Reply I also did not want a diamond, nor did I even want a big ring. I got a lovely little emerald set inside a silver band. My usually sane mother-in-law asked her son when he was going to get me a "real" engagement ring. I also had a coworker who, upon seeing it, said, "Hm. Small." But she lives in a fairy tale sitcom world, so I don't pay too much attention to what she says. Reply My engagement ring is a titanium band with celtic knotwork. My wedding band has a 'diamond' (i'm not 100% sure it's real, but i love it either way) that is set in a flush mount. Think of a traditional men's wedding band with a small diamond (1/4 carat, maybe? It's small) inserted so it's flush and that's what i have (oh, it's also titanium. I've reacted to silver and 'gold' before so we didn't want to invest in something I couldn't wear). Reply Not only did we go not Diamonds – I MADE our wedding bands. after working in the jewelry industry I knew that diamonds were over-hyped rocks. I chose a 2k amethyst solitaire in a basket setting paired with and a gold "eternity" style strip setting on silver to make an open band to jacket around it. His band is a matching gold/silver eternity band. Since we were on a tight budget, I got the metals wholesale and pulled it off for low $$$ (pre-jump precious metals prices) We get nothing but complements on them, one stranger at the check-out aisle in the store remarked that she'd never seen such a "Byzantine" looking ring. Yay! Reply The world outside Offbeat Tribe can be a really scary place. Occasionally I'll wander off aimlessly and get a rude shock in the comments section of articles that seem to only be trying to further the "divide" between men and women. Did you know they still make people who believe that all men will cheat given the slightest opportunity? Gross… people can just be gross. Meanwhile I'm pulling out my hair, wailing and gnashing my teeth at the insanity of it all. On another note, – and slightly off topic – try being in a long term relationship with stable jobs, and kids and houses and fending off almost daily "when are you getting married?" questions or some variation of that which feels like it basically translates into, "you poor woman, how damaged you must feel because he won't marry you." for me and "when are you going to make an honest woman of her?" for him. Which is as sexist as it is ridiculous. Like… maybe -I'm- the one who doesn't want to get married and that's OK. Anyone? No? Bastards. Reply So glad I found this post. I've been getting this nonstop. I'm getting married in September, and in October, I may be going for a ten-month volunteer experience. (I should know yay or nay fairly soon–cross your fingers for me). "But you'll only be married a month then! How will you be able to handle your first year of marriage apart?" The same way I imagine I'd handle it if we weren't married: miss him, but understand that I'm doing what's best for me. "But what does he say about it?" He's the one who encouraged me to apply because he knows it's what I really, really want. He's also nudging me toward the Peace Corps after college, even though it's a two-year commitment, because we can't squash each other's dreams just to be together. He'll still be there when I get back. Conversely, when he mentions his tentative plans to join the military after we get married, all he gets is "Oh that'll be great for you and Spazz!" Everyone assumes (correctly, but STILL) that we've talked about it and reached a decision together. He gets to be away for several months for training and deployments, but I can't to follow my dreams? Thanks, y'all. Reply That is insane. Absolutely insane. What can be done to educate people about this? How is it still a thing to assume this stuff? (and good luck!) Reply To borrow a phrase from elsewhere (either this blog or captain awkward) : it's not asked AT you, I think. I've been the friend asking 'how's married life / what does your partner say'. As Morgan Culture mentioned uptread, sometimes it's a matter of asking 'how's things' + 'I remember you got married recently'. At other times, I'm simply speaking from the perspective of my lasting single state : I make decisions independently and always have. I reckon my true question is 'wow, such a life-changing impactful decision… personally I make lists of pro and con and then still doubt for days or weeks… how does that even work if you have to manage your own list and take your partner's list into account ? What's your special strategy ?' None of my friends have indicated that my question is super annoying, so I'm hoping I wasn't too bad. Perhaps this point of view is also true for other people ? Reply I totally 100% feel you on this, I've had everything from being told it's blasphemous to not change my last name, to being asked by my mom what my husband thinks of my new haircut and then the suggestion that maybe my partner would like my hair long (I like it short with bright colours…). People don't realize that my husband and I have an equal partnership, and neither of us has veto power over the other's decisions. We have a mutual respect for each other, and prefer to support each other in our life choices. Big decisions involve big discussions, by the two of us, not one of us telling the other one how it is. I don't decide his hairstyle and he leaves mine alone. 😉 Reply I decide my husband's hair style, but only because he lets me near his head with scissors, and he gets whatever the end result is. :p I also decide my own hairstyle, for the same reasons! Reply I GET the purpose of the "how does your spouse feel about that?" questions. You are part of a partnership, and your actions affect you both. Remember that sometimes people ask those questions because 1) they've been hearing them phrased that way their entire lives and have never contemplated what they imply 2) they could just be curious and won't judge you either way 3) they could be asking because they are trying to see how they would feel in a similar situation HOWEVER, all it takes is one acquaintance to see you at the grocery store on a weekend and make a comment about the wife doing the grocery shopping while the husband must be golfing for these types of questions to get under your skin. And so many of them are always gender-stereotype-specific that it gets annoying very quickly. People love putting labels on other people, so when you have a new label like "WIFE," people assume that you are now part of the stereotype! I wish there was a way to make small talk and bond with people that didn't resort to antiquated stereotypes. Reply YES to the stereotype about "wife". This is why I often say "partner" instead of "husband". However, when people haven't met my PARTNER and don't know he's a man, this can lead to confusion. I've had weird moments when I said, "Oh, my partner blah blah blah" and then gotten a reply like "Oh, my daughter is a lesbian too!" So… not a lot of ways to win here. Reply Even though I've been married for almost 4 years, I still don't feel comfortable using the words husband and wife much. Especially wife. If I'm meeting someone that knew him first, I'll introduce myself as "his wife," but I otherwise never refer to myself as "a wife." And as for him, if I'm mentioning him in conversation, I either refer to him by name or as "the spouse." The funny thing is, some people get so used to me referring to him this way, they'll ask "how's the spouse doing?" Reply I tooootally feel the same way. Much like "fiance" felt weird for me to say, "husband and wife" feels so fucking formal. I say "that guy I married" when talking or writing about Aaron to people who don't know him by name. And, of course, I am "that girl he married." Reply Haha, I do find myself using "partner" a lot too, at least on this site or in writing. It's such a great term for when you want to discuss your relationship… because it is a partnership and you don't always have to discuss gender to get your point across! In general, I love using gender-neutral terms. For example "Are you dating anyone?" not "do you have a boyfriend/girlfriend?" It prevents me from offending people or putting my foot in my mouth. And I do LOVE asking obviously straight very conservative people questions in gender-neutral terms to see the look on their faces (but I'm kinda an asshole like that.) Reply In French, there is a word for husband but there isn't a word for wife. We use the translation for "woman". It's like saying : this is my husband, and I am his woman. Originally it was because a woman first belong with her father then with her husband, so a woman would always be someone's woman, there was no need for another word. I know everyone says it all the time but I think I won't like being called someone's woman. We'll have to figure it out. There are "époux" and "épouse" though, which mean husband and wife too but they're old-fashioned and it's odd to hear them. We have been together for over 6 years and sometimes when asked by some random people I would try to say "my partner" or "my companion", meaning we are together without implying we're married but usually people would think I was a lesbian. Reply Sometimes people think I am a lesbian, too, but I love that. haha. Reply "He's home doing my laundry" is my standard reply – often because it's true! He gets into that whole "color sorting vs whites" thing I think of as more of a guideline than a rule. On the other hand, he is incapable of loading a dishwasher to my satisfaction. Division of labor baby! However, when we were getting the whole, "So when are you two having kids?" round of questions from family I came up with a conversation stopper. "Well, we're trying, but if you want him to try any harder we're gonna have to quit our jobs." They usually left us alone on that point after that…well, except for Grandma. I think she kept asking because the answer made her giggle. Reply I too got a lot of that when I was first married. I don't remember it bothering me much though because event though my husband and I lived together for almost 3 years before we got married, I did feel that our relationship changed after we were married. Not in the sense that we suddenly became different people and our relationship had a complete overhall, but more in this sense of permanence. I'm having trouble finding the right word because it's not closure or finality, but more of the difference of having created something new lasting. Like being forged. Anyway… I think my point is that when people ask "how does N feel about that?" or similar questions, to me I generally feel that they're asking because they think that I'll know how he feels, or that he might feel differently than I do and that might realistically impact how I make my decision. Reply I can't agree enough. This is exactly how I feel. Maybe most of my interactions with people regarding my marriage have been really pleasant. But I guess this is just one more thing to add to my list of blessings I count each night. Reply I ran up against this in a surprisng-to-me way after I got married. My husband's parents are very old fashioned. Other than when my father in law goes to work, they are never apart for more than an hour or two. On the other hand, my dad flies for a major airline. It was normal in my family for him to be gone 16 days a month. These two background collided about eight months into our first year of marriage. My husband went "home" to help his parents with a health issue for about ten days. I stayed home – mostly for budget reasons. After he was there for two days his mother apparently very gently took him aside and asked what he did to upset me and if everything was alright in our marriage. Well, it warms my heart that she cares. She has continued to be baffled that we will leave town without each other, but she tries. Reply Its kinda been the opposite for my husband and I. My dad worked night shift and his worked away from home most of the year, so we figured it was common for couples to be apart, but the longest I've been away from him is a week, and that was odd. I didn't get any sleep that week. Reply Oooooh, this gets me angry. It just so happens my chosen career path is a largely stay at home one, but every time someone commends me for chosing "to make a home" I want to throw things. First, the home that I make contains waaaay more Doctor Who memorabilia than any traditional household they're thinking of. Second, this is something my husband and I have talked long and hard about. We're both writers- I write young adult, he writes speculative fiction and fantasy. He's aware of the fact that should I be successful, I will likely make more money than he does. And so, apparently, is everyone else. They're appalled, like, "Is your husband okay with you outearning him?" Uh, duh. It's his money too. Props to you for following what you want to do, and props to your husband for being awesome and supportive. Reply Just to play devil's advocate, but not all married couples combine their money. But the point is that the question "Is your husband okay with you outearning him?" is silly. I'm not sure what that means, either. Does it stem from the inequity in pay for men and women who have the SAME EXACT job? That the woman should make less? Also maybe the OffBeats should reclaim some of these phrases: Anna, I commend you for "making a home" TOGETHER with your husband filled with AWESOME THINGS that make you both happy. Reply And…. this from today, BAM: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/female-breadwinners-good-income-bad-outcome/article12322083/ As a female "breadwinner" with a zero-income "househusband", who has been so since two years BEFORE we got married, I find this article ridiculous, and the last two paragraphs, where Margaret Wente expresses her own opinion, are the most ridiculous. Yet it's also really indicative of how people view our relationship from the outside. "He should get a job" "How can you be OKAY with him not working?!" Key point being income. He works, but he doesn't earn an income for it. And I'm cool with that. …I suppose that's also why he's the one that gets the "What does she think about that?" questions, and I don't. Reply My reaction to that article was "Ewwwwwwwww…" Reply Oh ew. This line, "They want partners who can prove they are providers. They do not want househusbands," really steams me. My fiance lost his job a few months ago and is home 6 days a week. Is he any less of a provider because he's not working in an office somewhere to bring home the big bucks? Hell. No. He cooks, he cleans, he fixes things, he f*king decorates. He's a househusband and he gets done all the things that need to get done, so that when I come home from work and class I have a comfortable house to unwind in. How is this not "providing"? Like, what, housewives aren't providing anything for their families? What a crock of cow manure. Reply Personally, I would love having a househusband. I mean, I love that my fiance and I are both ambitious, but this also means keeping our kitchen clean is a constant chore for both of us. If he was cool with it (and I could afford it), I don't think I'd have a problem with him being a homemaker at all! I notice the comments are closed for that crap article. Wonder why? I don't know if that was what was meant, but I think the right question is "is it ok that one of the other outearns the other", no matter who's the man and who's the woman. I am currently unemployed and anyway with his job he will always earn more than whatever I may earn. And I don't like it although it is more often the case than the other way round. Right now I feel hurt and shameful because I feel like I'm a burden to him. Maybe that was the question, not the gender thing. Reply You're married! Next up, orange flavored fiber drinks and Wheel of Fortune marathons, because your youth is over! Sheesh 😉 Reply @Anna — I always thought that was hilarious (the concern that husbands /men should be offended if the wife makes more money), for two reasons. First – isn't equal pay a battle that was already fought and (mostly) won? I feel like a lot of the people making these comments on the home-front would, in the context of the workplace, find the idea of paying a women less than a man for the same job/experience level to be ridiculous. And second – I have a few female friends who make more than their husbands, and as you said, to their husbands it's just money in the bank so they love it. Reply Your dad sounds like my mom. Just today on the phone, after asking how my husband is doing, she asked if I'm being nice to him… Being nice to him?! Why would I be otherwise??? I replied, "Yes, I am nice to him. If I wasn't, he wouldn't have married me." Reply This made me laugh. It sounds like something my grandmother would say when she would really mean "are you giving him the sex he demands even though you may not want to?" And yes, my grandmother would probably actually do that. Yay for growing up in the rural South. Reply Hehehe. Reply Bless your Grandmother's heart 😛 Reply Haha! Yeah, that's a weird question. It's reassuring to hear that other people's parents still seem to think their adult children are still 8 on some level too. Reply YES to all of this! About a year after getting married, my husband moved across the country for a job opportunity – a 6 month contract job. We were hopeful that it would turn into a permanent position, but I wasn't willing to move until that happened. Most family and friends were supportive, but my own parents told us that this would essentially ruin our marriage that we would end up cheating on each other. Thanks, right?! After 7 months of living apart, he got hired on full time and I made the move to live with him again. Imagine that- we survived and our relationship is stronger than ever. Now, we ARE getting some pressure to start popping out babies, but we are both focused on our careers at the moment… The parents DO NOT like that. Reply My FH's coworkers recently told him as he moved towards the big 40 (he's 35) he'll have a mid-life crisis and want to fuck anything with a skirt. I think it's total BS (plus, some don't wait to be 40 for that) and I absolutely trust him but he told me this very seriously so I'm a little concerned that he might not trust himself. Reply Oh, this IS good to know. I just told my husband that he can only be around women in pants, just to avoid the temptation as he gets older. 😉 On the serious side, I've heard this, too, and I'm not sure why people think no man knows how to avoid having sex with people he shouldn't. It's not like he can just trip and it happens… Reply Yeah, when I even started talking about leaving my full-time day job to focus on music, and preserve my sanity, I heard a lot about the marital problems I would surely have related to finances because I wasn't working full time, and all this "how will you buy a house? how will you have kids?" It's another example of it not occurring to people that the fiance (at the time) and I obviously discussed out plans at length, being responsible adults and all. 😉 Reply I really like this post. It hurt me emotionally when family and friends would say that now I'm with a country boy in Alabama, I'll be settling down..having babies, be a working mom (thankfully both sides encourage this and we have a great support network for this to happen)…but I won't be out at waffle house at 2 AM reading and drinking coffee, hanging out for girl's nights, oh and planning to have trips overseas for fun. Uhmm excuuuuse me? I love my husband to death, but I don't have to spend every waking moment with him. I get a last minute call at 11 at night to meet at the cigar bar with my friends for some drinks? Thats cool with the hubbs since he's deep in his Doctor Who marathons. Oh he wants to go play a blackjack tournament with one of his customers tonight? Cool! I can catch up on a manga series I'm hooked on! Go to disney world before we have kids? HELL YEA! Maybe retire in Switzerland? Travel on cargo ships overseas? Send our future kids to Japan alone to see their grandfather? Dont get me wrong, we struggle with the concept of "oh you're not a roommate/sister/brother/mother" you're my SPOUSE!With a little teamwork we've been able to to tackle simple stuff like chores all the way up to making budgets together. But in no way either of us are turning into some 50's nostalgic couple! Reply Not married yet, but I think I've behaved "wifey" for some time now. When friends offer me to go out or invite me to stay for dinner, I phone my FH to ask if it's ok with him (it always is), and usually they smile down on me like I'm so cute. I'm not asking for permission, but what if he had been cooking for me, or cancelled plans to be with me that night? (yes he does that). Some people confuse respect with submissiveness. Also, I seem to be that super-cool girlfriend who lets him have his friends over on late notice, makes them tea and/or cakes, plays with them or leave them alone whenever it's best. It's nice to feel cool, but isn't it normal? Reply That's not "wifey", that's considerate. Reply "Getting wifed" – it is an interesting, and incredibly frustrating, occurrence. It happened to and upset me in a completely different way. By the time my husband & I married, we'd already been together nearly 6 years and had been living together for most of that time. So by then, we'd already been quite settled into "married life" just without the paper work. For some time before and after the wedding, I was unemployed. BEFORE we got married, there were constantly hurtful comments coming at me (mostly from my mother, honestly) about not having a job and my dude paying for everything, it was seen as HIS money. Anything that was bought for me, even a simple necessity, was seen as a gift from him and ohhhh how he "spoiled" me. Nevermind that he never saw it that way, that I never saw it that way. That when I DID have a job, we had combined our money and it was all just "ours." No one gave it a second thought after we were married. Nothing about our lives changed, but since we were married it was magically okay that he was the only source of income. My Mom actually told me, "You know, I really wanted more for you but now that you're married I decided I'm totally fine with you not working. It's like, you stay home and take care of the house and your husband and it works for you." She said it as if, as a grown woman, I need that sort of approval. I do NOT. And I didn't appreciate it, in fact it hurt my feelings a lot. Not to mention the fact that my unemployment was NEVER intended to be a permanent thing, and I'm working now actually. I've always wanted more for myself too, and I didn't just give up when I got married! Reply Wow, that sounds rough! *hug* Reply You know, I must say that I am incredibly blessed in that I really haven't had much of this. I wonder if it's because I'm the obvious dominant personality in our marriage (and I'm also a no-bullshit type of person in regular life, too) that makes people not ask those questions or make those types of remarks. I'd really be curious to see if that makes a difference, or if I'm just fortunate enough to be surrounded by more progressive-minded people? (Not saying that your fam & friends aren't progressive, just that maybe on this subject they're a little more steeped in tradition than others.) Reply you're right there are so many different ways… so how are people supposed to learn about these different ways if they don't ask questions? and how are they supposed to avoid asking without using the frame of reference they know best which is "traditional"? i'm just saying instead of being miffed and defensive by "getting wifed" take it as an opportunity to educate your family in how you and your husband are making things work best for you. as for the grandbaby thing, just try to understand that your dad has probably spent most of your adult life looking forward to having grandchildren to love, play with, and spoil. that doesn't mean you have any obligation to have kids! not at all! but try to be patient and understanding of his hopes just as you want him to be open minded and supportive of yours. Reply Very true! But re-grandbabies, my dad has 6 already (one born just a few months ago), so he totally doesn't need to be bugging me for more! 😉 Reply Very true! But re-grandbabies, my dad has 6 already (one born just a few months ago), so he totally doesn't need to be bugging me for more! 😉 Reply THIS: take it as an opportunity to educate your family in how you and your husband are making things work best for you. Reply I do this regularly, and usually back up my lessons with articles from here to show I'm not some weird duckling alien off on my own. My family might have resorted to making jokes about my compulsive referencing…but it's also opened their minds up way more than I would have ever been able to do on my own. 🙂 Reply *fist bump* Related: I'd LOVE to hear more about your situation with your house-spouse. Maybe he'd like to write a guestpost for us on being a husband homemaker? Reply I asked him about guest posting… I think he will! Reply I'm thankful I don't get the "how's married life" very often anymore. I think that's because I kept answering it like, "Well it's the same as non-married life, except we both have another ring – and I'm pretty sure there's a piece of legal documentation floating around somewhere." Then the asker would get flustered and say things like "oh of course! so how is life going then?" I have encountered the "what does your husband think about that?" when it comes to my name. Neither of us changed. I always respond with, "I don't know. I'm pretty sure he doesn't care. Why? Should he?" When people do those condescending comments like…"be nice to each other" or "what are you going to do after the baby comes?" (we're pregnant right now) I like to respond with completely ridiculous answers. "No, we're never nice to each other. We're constantly beating each other with sacks of oranges, and having yelling matches." "Well, I think our plan is to put the baby in the closet and then go party. Baby's are self-sufficient right?" Reply How about these sample responses to ridiculous questions to educate the masses: "Wow, you make it sound like we don't talk things over together!" "Yeah, wouldn't it be nice to be a kept woman." "Unfortunately, that was not part of the dowry." NB: sarcasm implied 🙂 Reply Oh the name change question! I got married two weeks ago and I NEVER could have predicted how many times I would be asked, "What is your new last name?" (assuming I had taken his) or "What is your new work email address?" and "How many places are you listed on the website that we need to change?" In addition to my day job I'm a freelance musician, and people KNOW me by my name. Changing it would be bad business. Also, I have a unique last name, that I've had for 38 years. Husband's last name is common. In fact, my single lesbian cousin and I are the last ones with our name. So hell yes, I'm keeping it! And I'm giving it to the kids if/when they come. And of course, husband is ok with it. Just as he is ok with ME. Since he loves me, he accepts me for who I am. And my name is part of who I am. Besides, no one has asked him about changing his name now that he's married…. Reply I've noticed that, without naming any names *ahem*, there are friends of mine that now don't seem to think I'm available to hang out unless my husband is also available. Which is pretty foolish, since I work at home and therefore am extremely flexible (as long as I get the work in, it doesn't matter when) while my husband works evenings and weekends (and weekend evenings.) Pretty much all of our friends are mutual friends, so they do truly want to see him too, but I rarely get a text that says "What are you doing tonight?"- it's always "Is [husband] around tonight?" It's like…hey. Dudes. Still a person over here. A whole complete and separate one! Capable of going separate places (even vacations!) Whoa! Reply I think that sometimes the words "married" and "wife" carry this weight that many times our friends don't really know how to deal with. I've experienced this even before I got married though, I think just when my relationship with my now husband reached a certain point. It used to bother me too, but then I learned that you just need to show your friends that it's "OKAY" to do things without your sig. other. For me, they have caught on pretty fast. Good luck! Reply A friend of mine spoke recently about the evolving definition of family, and though her story is specific to LGBT issues, a lot of her points apply to anyone feeling pressured to fit a stereotype (or scorned for not fitting it). If there is something non-traditional about the way that you interact with or define your family (or marriage in this case) people will never understand where you're coming from if you don't approach them positively and talk about it as a real person. Most of the objectionable comments mentioned above (annoying though they may be) come from a place of love–people want you to be happy they just don't know how you define happy. Here's the video of her talk: http://youtu.be/n8osOjz4TeI Reply Thanks for all the comments and support (Still reading through all the comments)! It's tough, and I feel a little bad, because my family doesn't mean to be all "anti-feminist" by any stretch of the imagination, and we're not a "typical American family" in many ways. The sister referenced in this post is a really tough, amazing woman with an awesome husband (and also kept her last name, and my other two married sister's hyphenated) and just doesn't fully get the artist/musician life, because that's just not what she does. I think somehow a lot of these things people say and questions people ask are a reflection of how ingrained these weird stereotypes and expectations still are in our society, people sometimes ask the questions without meaning to reinforce them. But then it just baffles me how some of these weird expectations are still so ingrained in our society, in 2013. Right now I'm doing a lot of work from home, investing a lot of money in my career with the hope of a payback, and supplementing with temp work, and sometimes I'm afraid people think I'm a housewife, or someone who's husband is doing her a giant favor, letting her pursue a "hobby". Reply Throughout the wedding/marriage process I would joke with my family (and myself!): "You know me! Have I ever done ANYTHING according to tradition?" That was the most effective way to remind them that I am ME, not "the bride" or "a wife." Because we all get swept up in the expectations and traditions sometimes. Reply "How's married life?" "Oh, it's full of really kinky sex! We figured, now that we weren't living in sin and all anymore, that we'd kick up the perversion to keep things spicy. Can't have things getting routine now that we're legit! Would you like to borrow my Intro to Pony Play book?" … and they will never ask that question again. Reply I wonder if guys get annoyed when they "get husbanded". Like, "Oh man, you must have to quit your band/stop playing video games/shave your beard now that you're married!" It annoyed that shit out of me FOR my husband that his parents were all like "You won't be able to spend whole Saturdays watching Star Trek anymore!" Uh…cuz we're going antiquing? WTF? It annoys the hell out of me in the sense that there seem to be more gender attachments to "getting wifed", but the whole concept of marriage changing your life annoys me no matter who's getting the shit. Reply HA! Great question… like, after they get married, does everyone think it's going to be like this for dudes? Reply Yes! This is totally what married life is like. Do all your fun shit now 'cuz it's all Home Depot Saturdays from here on out! Reply Ha! I've been "wifed" even before marriage… almost every day his mother calls to ask what I am cooking for her boy, whether I miss him (he is working in another town at the moment), whether I am lonely without him and when we will have babies. Good to know that my life is supposed to revolve around him, I was afraid I'd have to continue with my hobbies and carreer plans. ^^ Reply This absolutely. My southern grandmother (My father's mother) will constantly call me and she has come up with the habit at the near-end of the phone call that I shouldn't be gabbing all day and get to work making my husband food before he gets home. I'll usually say, "Oh I'm going to make a glorious new casserole I found on Southern Living today." She gets all excited and lets me go. Then I make ramen or mac n cheese. ^_^ lol I love cooking, don't get me wrong.. but the "boy" I'm married to is in his mid twenties and knows how to operate a stove. hahahaha Reply Ohhh man this. I only got "legal married" in April, my reception isn't even until August but just about everyone who knows has been "how's married life?" And I have to be like "… uh… exactly the same? With an extra piece of paper and a different driver's license?" And then the comments on my name.. (where I just added his last name on to mine, but is hyphenated on license) "Wow it's so long why would you want to do that," "But Kelly HisLasName sounds so nice," "So have you gotten new business cards/changed your website/etc. yet? Oh you're keeping your name the same for work? Hmm" "How does he feel about it" SIGHHHH. Husband hasn't gotten any comments on what he's doing with his name of course, though older guys keep making comments like "so how's married life going haha" with apparently some expectation that I won't let him do things anymore? IDK. Reply I've always hated the "How's married life?" question. And my stock answer has been: " We haven't killed each other yet" which usually gets an awkward chuckle and they never ask again. And I still have to answer this question 4 years into my marriage. The funny thing is in my social group, all the married women kept their last names, so it there was more pressure to keep it than to get rid of it. My last name is unique, hyphenated and awesome and his is rather common, so why wouldn't I keep it? However I still get family checks, letters, cards, etc. made out to my first name, his last name, which really makes me mad, because they *KNOW* I didn't change my name but insist on doing it anyway… Reply OMG…yes yes yes…I LOVE this post and ALL the comments! I can relate so much! "How's married life?" always makes me want to tell the truth: Well…I am suffocating being in the box everyone tries to put me in, wrap up and call "wife"; my partner and I can't get any sleep in the same bed so we have separate bedrooms; I have realized that domestic life is the antidote to passion and sex so we're exploring alternative lifestyles such as polyamory and swinging; we're still paying for the wedding after 2 years so we kind of regret having a big wedding; we don't ever want to have kids and even if we did my husband is trans so it isn't going to happen by accident and be a "surprise"; I am not changing my name…..his family hates it but frankly I don't care because it's my name; and I am constantly exhausted from working 45 hours a week, taking online courses, preparing for weight loss surgery and constantly feeding and cleaning up after not just myself and my 3 cats (one of whom is diabetic) like I was doing before but in addition now feeding and cleaning up after 2 dogs and a man as well. This all leaves me feeling emotionally depleted and physically exhausted with no energy/emotional capacity for sex so my vibrator is still my best friend. All in all, I'd have to say I'm wondering why I even bothered getting married. But thanks for asking! Reply I had a really difficult time adjusting to being wifed. The assumptions are obnoxious, and it's certainly double-edged because my husband gets a lot of bizarre questions and comments as well. I'd love it if everyone would stop assuming that marriage means certain things, but I've realized it's going to happen one person at a time. With that in mind, I answer as simply as I can, and I've already seen a difference in how people speak with us. The assumptions are less and the questions and comments are a lot more meaningful. Q: "You didn't take his last name?!?" A: "No, I didn't, and I don't plan to." Q: "Why not?!?" A: "I don't feel that I'm becoming a part of his family more than he's becoming a part of mine, and honestly his last name isn't THAT awesome." *Issue dropped* Q: "So, when are you having kids?" A: "Hopefully never." Q: "Why not?!?" A: "*One of many non-emotional, logical reasons*" *Issue dropped* Q: "How does your husband feel about this?" A: "*Honest (and concise) answer about how he feels*" As a pointer, I've found that the less emotional you get about a wifey subject, the more easily it's accepted and dropped. On the other hand, family has a special way of pressing your buttons, so sometimes an emotional outburst is inevitable. Good luck! Reply I'm not married yet (9/28!!) but if I get asked after we are married "what does he think of that?", I am tempted to say: "Well, I do that one thing with my mouth that he really likes, so I make the rules." My friends would think it was hilarious and my mom would never ask again, so good enough. Reply OMG I'm so using that! Reply I don't want to be the un-fun girl here who doesn't understand humour, but I know there are girls who actually use sex for blackmail so I'm not using that. (also, my FH does pretty amazing things with his mouth too so…) Reply Although I gotta say that 69 deciding disputes (1st one to cum concedes) sounds like an awesome way to settle arguments. Reply My life has kind of changed since being married, but it's all kind of obvious things that have to do with sort of merging two lives together. We're two awesome people, so I dig it:) I work as a scenic artist and designer in Chicago, and he works in digital marketing, so needless to say, we're not totally traditional–I do the fix-it and carpentry and car related things around the house. I usually make dinner. I do his laundry–something I never thought I would do. I manage the grocery shopping and make sure bills get paid. We split regular cleaning chores. He does the dishes because my hands are usually chapped from washing paint brushes. He makes more money than I do, so he pays a little more, but we keep it pretty fair. We have separate bank accounts and probably always will, but we have full access to each other's just in case. This is all new for us considering we waited until we were married to live together, but it's really the kind of teamwork I expected us to fall into. I did change my last name to his and I was happy to do it. Personal preference. Now my name sounds like a sneeze;) We are preparing to start a family soon–looking at a bigger apartment in an area with a nice park, each of us putting away money each paycheck to save, trying to make more married and partnered friends (while keeping our single ones, of course–just adding). Pretty domesticated. However… Every time I try to find a job that's a little more stable–some kind of not-too-physically-taxing day job that I can have during pregnancy, my husband challenges me. He is sometimes more supportive of my design and production lifestyle than I am. He doesn't expect me to stop painting and designing through pregnancy and parenthood–he expects me to adapt, not to change. And that's kind of what we've been doing so far–things are different now that we're married. But we haven't stopped being ourselves to be some sort of conventional married couple–we've just adapted to being us. And that's how we'll deal with having a family too. I used to get this panic attack–especially through the engagement–because I thought I would have to give up so much to do the married-with-babies thing, but so far, it looks like I've actually gained things. After a tough day painting large scenery and then trying to finish drafting a freelance project, I tried to look up women with my jobs who have kids and I couldn't really find anything. When I told my husband, he just said, "If it doesn't exist, it doesn't mean it can't be done. It means no one's done it yet. Make it happen." It sounds like people have doubt from their parents and some friends that you can still keep the you-ness and be married and/or have kids if you choose. It also sounds like we've found spouses and partners who challenge that notion. How awesome is that? Some things definitely get added to your life when you get married/partnered and probably more if you have kids or get a dog or buy a house, etc. But with some thought and some support, you can make your own model of how it all works together. And try not to drip paint on the baby;) Reply ummmm guest post requested. please! what awesome perspectives. Reply I just wanted to chime in on the "not-too-physically-taxing-day-job-search" aspect of your comment. Speaking from experience, if you enjoy your job and your manager is supportive, you can make being pregnant work with a physically intense job. I'm a mechanic and continued to work on and under vehicles for almost 8 months of my pregnancy before I chose to ask for lighter work since I could not work as efficiently as before. Granted, my manager was super awesome about it and was really willing to work with me to keep me and kiddo safe, but still. For me, keeping up with my normal level of activity helped me have a good labor. Are there any artist's guilds or other networks where you could pick someone's brain about being pregnant in your line of work? Or check out the archives at offbeat families? Regardless, happy times! Reply Some of this, I totally agree with. Some of it, I have a slightly different perspective. Namely, the "how's married life" and "so, thinking about kids yet" questions. It used to really get on my nerves but when I sat and thought about it, my family in particular are trying to be nice. They're trying to say "Something big happened in your life! I remember that! How are you?" or "I know you want kids, I'm curious about your plans and feelings! How is your life going?" (This is very much different with random acquaintances who do not know that I've wanted kids forever). As with most things, they could probably use a bit of education, but they are not deliberately trying to annoy. Reply I posted something similar, and I like the way you phrased this: They're trying to say "Something big happened in your life! I remember that! How are you?" Some people genuinely share these sentiments and aren't trying to judge. We've heard them phrased certain ways all of our lives, so we use that same language- but WITHOUT all the judgement/stereotyping implied. In some cases, "How's married life?" is innocent. In other cases, it's not, but you usually can tell this by the next question if it is something like "Now that you're a wife, do you have enough aprons? You must spend a lot of time in an APRON now, that you're a WIFE." I think the kid question is still a little invasive for a lot of people, though. It's much more pointed and personal than "how's married life?" Reply We've heard them phrased certain ways all of our lives, so we use that same language- but WITHOUT all the judgement/stereotyping implied. Ooh, this totally reminds me of this post: Parenting cliches as loss of identity, where the author talks about the deeper meanings behind when she hears herself say stuff like "He's growing like a weed!" Reply Yes! Except I've never been good with words to begin with! We owe it to ourselves and our friends to not fall into these language traps. Reply With the kid, question, I very much mean from family or close friends, people who've known me for a long time and know how I feel about children. From work colleagues or acquaintances, it would absolutely be too personal. I agree with what you say, people say these things as kind of "set phrases", almost the way you use phrases you know in another language, and don't really think about the nuance. I also think it's worth bearing in mind who's asking. When my auntie who is the breadwinner in her household and has always supported my career asks me "How's married life" she definitely doesn't mean the apron thing. Others, well, who knows. Reply My response to the "how's married life?" question was to say, triumphantly "about the same as before, but with 100% less wedding planning!!!" That usually got a laugh 🙂 Reply I am getting the same sort of things from lots of people in regards to getting married. My fiance is a full time musician which means lots of hours away from each other, and possibly a 6 month stint overseas which I can't join him due to university. I can understand people being shocked at us being fine about being away for 6 months – it is a long time, but I also get annoyed that they imply that we must not care about each other if we feel like we need to work on our careers. The amount of times I get told that I should 'drop out of uni and just get a job if I want to be a wife' or that his job is 'not a real job' is frustrating. It does make me smile since I know that FH earns well over what most of my friends do as a muso (he teaches as well as gigs). And the kid thing! *Tears hair out* I can't wait to have babies! But it gets my goat that people expect women to just become mamaclones with no personality. When we decide to have kids, I know that my life and schedule will revolve around babies sleep time etc, but I refuse to drop having interests or hobbies. Reply We lived together for several years before we got married and the best thing about getting married was not having to deal with the stupid wedding anymore. Things just went back to normal, which was exactly how we liked them in the first place. We get the "How is married life?" thing all the time. My husband (oddly never minded the names) came up with the perfect response. "It's just like not being married, only now I have one forth of a brass knuckle" Always gets the point across. I was "wifed" somewhat even after moving in. My Mother in law didn't teach the hubs to do anything growing up so he honestly didn't know how to do ANYTHING. He felt horrible about it to. Now he can do about 2/3's of the work in the house and is working on learning the rest. Should we have kids we are teaching either gender how to do this stuff, it's silly for a grown man not to know how. Basic stuff like laundry, dishes and such should not be an issue. I can say he's been "husbanded" as well, though. We are super geeks and we both have areas the other isn't into. We have no problem with this, however he has to beg for an invite since I'm supposed to mind if he leaves my sight for an evening. Do other women not like personal time? Reply I actually have that Don'ts For Wives book – my partner's Dad gave it to us as part of a humourous present before we had our "un-wedding" (aka party with booze and no speeches that my Mum can use as an anniversary because she wanted us to have one). He also included a little LV purse (because I control the cash!) and a photo of my man as a boy mowing the lawn (to prove he's been good at it a while). I thought it was cute, the fella was a bit weirded out that his Dad could be so tongue-in-cheek I think! That book is so hilarious, like reading The Rules but treating it like very dry satire. On topic – we're not married (obviously) but never been wifed or husbanded before. That might change from people who don't know us once I start my business and he quits the military to become a full time sci-fi writer. Our families know and love our fabulous future plans however, and that makes it easy to wear the occasional "Kids, when? Soon? Now?!" that we get from specific family members (not our parents, surprisingly). Reply Heh I got a kick out of this post. It's been a year since my husband and I got married and people still ask me how married life is treating me. My answer: "I haven't kicked him out onto the sofa yet. Although, he's almost made it to the garage a few times." Reply This article and the ensuing discussion were lovely. My husband and I have always had a different relationship as I'm the breadwinner and he's had to stay home (first for school, now for medical reasons). I just think people don't know what to do with "different". My father is still convinced he's "taking advantage of me" but yet doesn't think that of his friend's whose wives don't work. Add that to the fact that we aren't having kids and he's not a doormat husband, and you can likely guess the types and frequency of comments from other, including family. It's nice to hear that others face similar issues. Thank you all for sharing!! Reply Hah, I'm in a non-married-non-engaged otherwise committed relationship and my mother still asks (about my style choices, job, things I do by myself) "What does [s/o] think about that?" and she asks him how he feels about things I do and almost surprised (probably wishfully) that he doesn't object. Reply OMG THANK YOU! Im just engaged, my fiance and I are going to wait till we or at least he finishes school before we get married. So we have some time. So people often ask me if we are having kids right away. I always tell them we are going to wait and I tell them why. But people ALWAYS act offended or confused like "why wouldn't you pop out babies right away? " Well we would like to get our careers going, travel (traveling with and without kids are two different experiences,) build up some money, etc. The travel thing. This has been a thing since we were dating. People, friends, family will always say "how does Alex feel about this? " He is more then happy to support my traveling and the goals they entail. We were discussing that I might study abroad in NYC for a month or Paris for a semester; I said I would love to do it but I would miss him so much. He feels I should go ahead and do it anyway, things I would love it and kick myself if I don't. Sorry for the rant, what I'm trying to say is YOU GO GIRL! Do your thing and don't let anyone stop you. Besides your awesome significant otter supports you! Yes I meant otter not other Reply As a theatre professional / wedding photographer I'm in a similar situation. My job requires that I travel sometimes. Every time someone questions my being away I wonder if they think my husband is incompetent? He can take care of himself for a few weeks. He did for years before I came along. Reply I travel for weeks at a time without that guy I married. People question that all the time: "Wait, aren't you married?" Yes, how… exactly… does that impact my travel plans? "But what does your husband do when you're gone?" Enjoys having the house all to himself? Takes care of the animals? Also, drinks way too much Coke without me there to nag him about it, I assume. I'm 100% positive that he would not be getting such perplexed questioning if/when he goes on extended trips. Reply I love this article. It makes me feel more accepted when it comes to having an unconventional marriage. See I never really wanted kids until I met my FH. He is why I want them. But after recently being diagnosed with kidney failure we found out that healt wise I may never have them due to it being a risk to my life. Its been a yr simce we got that news anf literally everyone I knoe is having babies. Whrn my mother finally asked when I would give her grand kids (mind you I'm not married yet) I bursted into tears and told her why we plan on being a childless couple. Her first question was dose your fiancé know? Of couse he does. He was there when the doctor told me and a month later he purposed. I often ask him if he's ok with it and his response is always yes. We've talked about adoption but realistically it may not be a possibility in our future. We know that there are other couples in the same situation, but it is hard seeing families be created around us..I often feel left out. So seeing that there are couples who choose not to have kids make me feel like I fit in. Reply I recently got married myself, and this is so well worded! Thank you for sharing you thoughts and expressing in such a gentle and humble way, that the "right" way to be married or a wife, isn't really a thing. Wonderfully said, Divamezzo. Reply I really like this. As a husband, I actually really empathise (not with the 'wifing' thing, but with the idea that once you are married, you are expected to… change?) My fiancee and I were engaged for nearly 4 years, and had been dating for a total of 8 when we got married. For us, the marriage was more of a public display of the commitment we felt to each other. We agreed that this changed nothing between us whatsoever. The wedding was lovely, and the reception was fantastic, but married life? Exactly the same as un-married life. Why should anything have to change? Reply After I got married my MIL said, "Well, you'll be sewing now." I was dumbfounded! In fact, I had no answer. Reply I agree there is an unfair double standard, but I think too that its a matter of who wants to know. My parents ask me "what does he think of that" questions all the time, but they never ask him what i think of things because they already know what I think. Same for his family (but the vice versa) My favorite response to the AWFUL when are you having children question is "we already have kids, a vintage car (his) and a cat (mine)" 🙂 Can you believe once a coworker found out we had not intention of procreating and followed up with "Why are you even getting married then" I was appallled! Reply Just a few hours after our wedding, we were bombarded with so many questions and suggestions for how quickly we should have babies that my husband cried for almost an hour because he was so overwhelmed (the alcohol surely didn't help). And lately, I've been getting a lot of "oh, your husband lets you drive a lot?" Well… it's my car, so yeah, I'm typically "allowed" to drive it. My favorite comment that I've gotten though was "now that you're married, I feel more secure because you're so much safer now!" First of all, why was I less safe before we were married? We were living together. Second, HUH? Reply I'm not even married yet, we are engaged and planning a wedding and I have had some pretty offensive questions/accusations. On getting my half sleeve tattoo, a colleague immediately asked "what does HE think about it? Did you get his permission? You must of thought about him first, he's the one who has to be seen with you in restaurants." I was gobsmacked! This came from a married female co worker and I honestly didn't know what to say. Of course I discussed it with him first, but it was more of a "this is what i'm getting, any objections?" The fact that she thought he might not want to be seen in public with me was so upsetting, I already have a lot of tattoos (he doesn't have any) and its part of my life…. He has chosen to spend it with me so why ask questions like that? Another male colleague, after I told him that I was doing Diy all weekend came out with this " well good you should, I'm guessing your boyfriend bought your house for you didn't he? I bet you're not cooking either, take out for you, all young 'uns are the same". If I got technical about it, I put more into the buying of our house financially, and my dad was a chef, and taught me how cook, so not only were these comments offensive, they were completely wrong. I have not had many people talk to me like this until I became engaged and bought a house, which was this year, and I'm struggling with how to react to these stupid comments. Its like all of a sudden you become a target for the most outdated, sexist comments and people think its ok to talk to you like that. I love the responses I read in some of the comments to these stupid questions, I'm afraid I'm not that quick! Reply I am a theatre designer with much the same lifestyle and struggles as OP. I was passed up for a gig in my first year of marriage because, "What with your getting married I didn't think you were interested." This bullshit needs to STOP. Reply I know this is an older post but I love this so much. I got a job in a new city before my fiancee and I got engaged. In fact, we'd only been dating for five months but there was never any question about the fact that he'd move with me. We did long-distance for a few months until his lease was up — because that made the most sense, and it gave him time to job hunt, etc — and then we lived together for about a year before we got engaged. Our relationship hasn't changed since the first ring and I don't anticipate it changing much after the second ring. But then I found a posting for a job back in my hometown that would have been perfect for me. It was more in line with what I wanted to be doing with my life and the lower cost of living would have helped me save more money. I also miss home a lot. If it weren't for my fella, I'd have gone for it. But I knew I couldn't ask him to move again so soon after he had just packed up and done it for me once. I mentioned this to a male coworker of mine who knew our entire history and his response was, "Well these are the kinds of things you have to think about now that you're engaged." I was completely taken aback as these were exactly the kinds of things we talked about before we ever got engaged. We were totally committed to spending our lives together before there ever was a ring or talk of signing paperwork to make it official, and it seems weird that other people expect us to behave differently now. Reply Join the conversation Cancel Reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Subscribe me to your mailing list No-drama comment policy Part of what makes the Offbeat Empire different is our commitment to civil, constructive commenting. Make sure you're familiar with our no-drama comment policy.