Why do I need to get married just because we have a kid? #It worked for me#grown ups March 22 | Guest post by Nikki Cupcake Original photo by Jeff Belmonte, used by Creative Commons license From the second I knew about my son's upcoming arrival, the same questions kept coming up, the biggest one being, "Are you married?" After I answered no, everyone seemed to assume that my son's father was out of the picture. To their surprise, my son's father is very much involved. I would just look at them and say "You know it's possible to be in a relationship with someone, have a child and not be married, right?" It's not just random strangers that had this skewed view on what defined a family. My partner's family and my family also shared the same idea. During every one of my son's unveilings the someone would always ask, "So when are you guys getting married?" I would just reply "Why fix what's not broken?" I worry for people who run and get married when they have a child, I worry that they're rushing into something that they didn't need to hurry. Not everyone is ready to get married as soon as they know they're going to be a family. Some people are ready — and that's awesome, but my partner and I weren't. We didn't think were ready to have a child when we did, so why would we throw a wedding on top of that? I felt us not getting married and rushing into things was the most mature thing to do, since we did rush into have a child. My son lives in a very loving home with his two very loving parents. My partner and I share our lives together and now share a son. We are a family. Yet we aren't married, nor do we plan to be any time in the near future. Reporter Name * Reporter Email * Original text Enter the original text here. Edited text* Enter your suggested copyedit here. Notes You can add a note for the editor here. * Required information. Fix Typo Guest post written by Nikki Cupcake Nikki Cupcake is a young eco friendly mom from northern new jersey. she loves music, film and photography. Besides all that she loves spending time with her son. http://mamaslittlemonster.blogspot.com PREVIOUS Respecting myself and my step-daughter's mother NEXT Feeding my cloth diaper addiction Show/Hide comments [ 72 ] LOVE THIS!!!! 1 agrees Reply Hm. Because of the extra legal protections and federal benefits? You don't have to have a ceremony or anything. But I know my partner and I are getting a domestic partnership (can't get married yet…) so I can have health insurance, so… 1 agrees Reply the coolest thing about the company i work for is that my partner can partake in my health insurance without being in a domestic partnership. my company also allows same sex couples also on our insurance in any state we are (which i'm pretty sure is all 50) and there are no extra legal protections or benefits. there's a penalty for being married on your taxes! the only thing legally that i came across was my son had to take my last name….. which i don't mind 1 agrees Reply I know a bunch of unmarried couples who had children – and almost all of them took the fathers name – I wonder why that was different in your case? 1 agrees Reply in the state of NJ, i was told he had to take mine…. which married or not i would have preferred….. my last name has more oomph than my partner's 3 agree Reply my son has a last name his papa and i completely made up. i don't dig my (paternal) last name and i didn't want him to have just his dad's last name – so we came up with our own creation. it's pretty sweet. 3 agree what company do you work for? haha. that's awesome. 1 agrees Interesting. I work in the mother/baby unit in the hospital, and the baby takes the father's name in almost every case (I rarely see married couples actually). I have my mother's last name, but that's because my father wasn't in the picutre when I was born (thankfully… I'm glad my last name isn't Pitts!). NJ laws must be different. 1 agrees Reply you really don't think there are any legal protections or benefits to getting married? why do you think gay couples want to get married, then? there are numerous things that your child's father cannot do, if you are incapacitated due to an accident or illness or act of god, that he would be able to do if you were married. in fact, the human rights campaign website (which got its information from reports on the defense of marriage act) states that there are 1,138 benefits, rights and protections provided on the basis of marital status in federal law. that's not even counting local and state regulations. if you don't want to get married, that's cool and it's totally your business. but to say that there are no legal protections or benefits is flat-out wrong. 2 agree Reply I'm with you. I -wish- my sister hadn't rushed into getting married after she got pregnant, and I'm 80% certain she wishes she didn't either. In fact, even while they were planning the wedding, she always talked about how she was only doing it because he wanted to, not because she wanted to or thought it'd be the best thing for them or the baby. And now she pretty much hates him, but can't get herself out of it. It's funny, because I always wonder what people are thinking when they do stuff like that to themselves– like buying a house when you're about to get married or something. You're already stressed and have a huge expense coming up, why do you have to have two? Can't the house (or wedding, in the case of a baby) wait until a year or so after, so you've time to recover emotionally and financially, instead of digging yourself into a bigger hole? And that's -assuming- you want both of those things, rather than that you're just doing them because of societal pressures to do so. 3 agree Reply i agree let it wait! my best friends got engaged because they wanted to…. then found out they were pregnant, but their not running to get married before the baby is born, they're going to keep with the plans they already made 2 agree Reply this happened to my partner and i. he proposed to me and a few months later i got pregnant. any money we had saved for the wedding then went to prepare for the baby instead! a few years down the road and we now have another baby together…and don't think too much about the marriage thing. for now we're enjoying our lengthy engagement and parenting our two little ones together. but i'll tell ya – we never hear the end of the "when are you getting married" question, even from family members who should really know better by now. oh well! 1 agrees Reply My mom met my (Step) Dad when I was 5 months old. They didn't get married until I was 10, and I didn't know he wasn't my Biological Dad until I was 12… so for my entire childhood I thought my parents were unmarried. I always heard snide comments from other parents, but it never bothered me. I knew my parents loved eachother and that is all that really mattered to me. When they did "finally" get married, it was because they were ready to get married, not because they felt like they had to. 3 agree Reply My daughter's father and I are not married and we get TONS of the marriage banter from all sides. I live in a super conservative community, so people are so quick to judge our situation. When I step back and look, I see that just because a person shares a last name, or has a ring on their finger does not make a family. We have been together for 5yrs. and we still have many things to work out. We attend therapy (which I'm not ashamed to say) to guide and give us a bit of help we need. Our daughter has a healthy and happy life, That's all I can ask for…the way I figure it, adding a wedding and more financial hardship to the mix is not going to make things easier on the honeymoon. 7 agree Reply i'm married, going on 2 years now. marriage has always been important to me personally, but i'm a strong believer that a child needs a strong mother figure as well as a strong father figure in their life. as long as there's that, then something like legal marriage doesn't seem like it would get in the way of anything. it's just a document. small potatoes compared to having a child. ***marriage doesn't change a relationship – the people in the relationship change because of over-thinking what the definition of marriage is. *** so, to say "why fix something that's not broken?" doesn't really make sense to me. it sounds insecure. regardless if the mother or father is the biological parent – the significance of a male and female figure in a childs life has always been important to me. it makes me sad to see a kid grow with only one in their life…even an older brother, uncle, aunt, older sister, etc….some kind of model to grow with. i have a close friend who is in a lesbian relationship but has an adopted baby girl. this little girls uncle is as big of a part of her life as any father would be and i know my friend wouldn't have it any other way because she agrees with me. however, i'm also a believer that if you are not married to the father of your child the child should have the mother's last name. call it feminist, call it what you want – but the female instinctivly (a majority of the time) does all the work and should protect every legal aspect possibility for their child. it shocks me how many women give their child the father's last name in these kind of situations. 2 agree Reply actually not insecure at all…. i feel if we're happy the way we are why to change it…. we're two adults in a relationship with our own rules…. just not husband and wife 7 agree Reply If both parents are listed as the parents with equal paternity rights on the birth certificate, etc. what does the last name have to do with it? Curious… 3 agree Reply I agree about the last name. I thought I would give my daughter my last name since her father & I were not married. When I had her I got to name her (a name that he wasn't as fond of) and ended up giving her his last name. I don't know why I did it, since I wasn't sure that we would stay together. Hopeful thinking that we might work it out I guess. Wish I hadn't now. I figured he would have her 1/2 the time if we broke up, but so far that hasn't been the case. SO glad we did NOT get married. 1 agrees Reply I am not married to the father of my child and my son carries his last name. We are together and a very happy family although we are unmarried. Why shouldn't my son have his last name again? Please clear this up for me. I do agree in some circumstances that the child should have the moms last name perhaps if the father isnt in the picture, but what if he is? And what if the family is happy?? 3 agree Reply my fiance and i have 2 children together, and our kids have *both* our last names. why does it have to be one or the other? i also think it's cool when parents can make up a new last name for their children, or for each partner to change their last name to upon marriage. different strokes and all… 😉 3 agree Reply AMEN! We have a 20-month-old and I swear the second that I told my father that I was pregnant, his first reaction (after, "does that boy smoke pot?") was "If he's any kind of man at all, you just need to get married, and soon." To which I delightfully replied, "Because getting married worked out so well for you?" I decided on a few rules – 1. We were not going to even think about planning a wedding until the baby was a year old. 2. We weren't going to care what other people thought. The first rule was put in place because babies change things. We hadn't been talking marriage really before the baby and I didn't want the baby to steer us into something we weren't planning any way. And babies are happy occasions. At least, she was for us. And I didn't want the euphoria of a new baby and instant family to cloud my judgment on whether or not I really was with the right person. The second rule was put in place because there are too many people out there with too many opinions. And we just don't care. So yeah – maybe my child was born out of wedlock. But I'll tell you one thing – we won't be getting divorced when she's five because we didn't put pressure on each other to do something in a hurry. We're comfortable where we are and our kid is raised in an awesomely low-stress environment. And most likely – next year – we'll have a little shin-dig and make it legit. Until then, we're happy together. And that's the important thing. 1 agrees Reply my partner's mother took a special trip across the country when she found out i was pregnant, and took us out to dinner to try and convince us to tie the knot so his gramma wouldnt be upset! ..what? i said absolutely not. and blah blah blah, about not needing pile of papers to validate our love and commitment, thank you very much, and i sure as hell am not making a serious life decision based on other people's beliefs. The awkward part was that this was the first she had heard about our relationship at all as john is very private person, so i may have come on a little strong. But i think in the long run and now that we have become close, she has all the more respect for me for being so honest with her. 2 agree Reply Hear hear for the idea that marriage isn't necessary to create a loving, cohesive family. I was raised by a loving mother and loving stepfather who were together for over 20 years, but never married. They were both of the 1960s and felt that they "didn't need to involve the state in their relationship." It was never a problem for me, or for them. And, many of my gay and lesbian friends who are unable to marry have some of the most wonderful, stable families I know. 1 agrees Reply As someone who stayed in a bad marriage much longer than she should have, I agree that having a child doesn't equate with having to get married. That said, there are just two points I wanted to make. 1. There are legal benefits to you as a couple if you get married that go beyond health insurrance such as medical decisions and estate issues. 2. Marriage =/= weddding. When I got married the second time around, we orginally planned a nice fair size ceremony. Then I got pregnant. We scrapped those plans to avoid the stress, and instead went to the courthouse. It took one week, and that's only because there is one week waiting period in the state I live in. 2 agree Reply I just fixed all those medical decision and estate issues with 30 minutes in my lawyer's office. The only thing that we can't do as if we were married is file taxes as such. 2 agree Reply Brava! Great post… Marriage and kids are two separate issues, anyways! And it's not like married couples have the greatest track record for longevity these days, either. Good for you both for sticking to what works best for YOU! 1 agrees Reply Whatever work. Especially since the insurance situation is all cool with your employer. I knew a couple that had three kids and never married and they gave the same "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Johnny Depp was engaged to a slew of ladies and married before having children with, and NOT marrying, the woman he's with now. He seems pretty happy. 2 agree Reply Well, in my opinion a messy divorce (although for some reason fairly socially acceptable) is WAAAAY worse for a child than happily unwed parents. Getting married because of baby just adds to stress to an already stressful time in your reltionship with your partner. And plus, I found out that I literally was the reason my parents got married a few years back. Believe me, it sucks. So my parents were married when I was born, but divorced soon after. Does that make it better somehow? In many ways, I wish they'd just stayed happy life partners and not stressed themselves out trying to give me a 'normal' life. 1 agrees Reply First of all: let me say that I definitely agree with the fact that being married does not make you a better parent and that marriage is a personal preference, not a necessity. Everyone decides for themselves in which way they commit to each other and their family. However, what I don't get is that some people tend to look at marriage as the biggest step in their life, but plan to have kids together when they claim to "not be ready" to get married yet. If you're not sure about each other (as sure as you can ever be anyway), then why bring a child into the world together? I understand from your post that your son wasn't planned (which doesn't mean he won't be loved or wasn't welcome), so this of course does not apply to you. You acknowledge that you're human like everyone else and are making the best of unforeseen circumstances, taking it one step at a time. I totally respect that! 5 agree Reply Funny that i read this post today , I was scolded by a woman in public today who saw me with no wedding ring and a baby. She assumed i was uneducated , poor and that my son's father was not in his life. She continued to lecture me about how unwed mothers such as my self were a burden to federal government and that i should have given my son up for adoption. (yeah i know yikes) My partner and I did not expect to have a baby and we were no where near ready to jump into marriage , left alone a child. We decided that we wouldn't get married and focus on learning about being parents and partners . I'm so glad we did . marriage isn't right for our situation but at least we are being responsible and making things work our way. thank you for this post it made my day! 1 agrees Reply I had a run in like that with a woman once, I commented on how nice it must be, to be capable of such amazing leaps in logic and cautioned her to be careful stepping off her soapbox, she might break a hip. 3 agree Reply we OFFICIALLY got engaged when we found out we where exspecting. some of my family rushed to get us wedding gifts b/c they thought we'd get married BEFORE we had or kid….thats what your supposed to do. we ended up gettingmarried when he was a year old and #2 on the way 1 agrees Reply Kudos to you to staying strong! People just need to get over their silly obsession with making everyone conform to "the right way" to do things. Different things work for different people, and your assumptions about others are generally wrong. When I was pregnant, my fingers (and all my other extremeties) swelled up like sausages. So I took off my wedding ring. I never imagined the amount of judgement and assumptions that would come from total strangers because I was pregnant without a ring, even here in the NW (hippie capital of the world). It was pretty sweet to get to smack down meddling old biddies mid-tirade. I also kept my name, but my son shares his papa's last name which confuses people all the time. It especially confuses people who know my husband's brother and his partner, who are NOT married but both changed their last names (to Skywalker, and yes, I totally wish I'd thought of that.) and have a baby just a couple months younger than ours. 2 agree Reply I was so annoyed by the looks I got being pregnant with no ring on. My fingers too were little sausages so my rings did not fit but dear lord the looks. I kept thinking to myself what the hell is it 1950 should the knocked up girl be sent to her "aunts" Mind you I am 34 and married but still. ps..Skywalker..LOVE IT!! 1 agrees Reply My partner and I totally agreed with that sentiment (past tense because we're engaged and planning a wedding) My family was perfectly fine with our not being married (I had a baby when I was 19 and was single up until I got together with my fiance four years later) His family on the other hand kept asking when we were going to get married. I replied nicely that marriage isn't a necessary condition for a happy, functioning family. And we still believe this (we've been engaged for over a year and we're all happy and functioning still) however marriage was a personal choice that we made based on personal feelings versus what we 'should' do. I totally agree with you that marriage isn't what makes the family, it's the relationships between everybody in the family that's important 1 agrees Reply THANK YOU! My partner and I have been together for 13 years and have two children (6.5 and 2) and have no intentions of getting married. We are married, really. A piece of paper isn't going to change anything in our relationship. Besides, we have two sets of divorced parents (some multiple marriages), so we don't really see how us getting married will "help" anything. We like to tell people we are "happily unmarried", cause it's true! 4 agree Reply This post was a great find for me! I am newly engaged, and just as newly pregnant (11.5 weeks) with my first child. I have not told my family yet, but I know they will kind of freak! I feel strongly about not getting married before the baby is born, both for financial reasons, and because it is too much change at once. This post and the comments helped give me a more positive view of my situation, and hopefully will help me stay positive when I break the news to my family. 2 agree Reply The best thing I ever did was NOT marry my son's father. Turned out he wasn't the right guy for me, but my son is the right one! So glad my son didn't have to go through a divorce, he just got two happy parents in two happy houses. Everyone begged us to get married when I found out I was preggers,SO GLAD I didn't listen! 1 agrees Reply I loved having two houses with much happier parents in them, too! The way I looked at it, I had twice the houses, twice the stuff, and twice the Christmases, and since my dad didn't see me as often as he used to, we did super fun things on our days together to make up for it. When I found out there were special books and counseling for kids whose parents weren't together anymore, I was very confused; why would anyone be upset? It's great that your son is happy, too. 🙂 1 agrees Reply My son's father and I aren't married either, although we have talked about it lots. It just happened that we had the little man first. It seemed like too much planning all at once and would ultimately take away from both experiences to rush things like that. Funny though, one of the first things my mom asked me when I told her I was pregnant was if we were getting married. Funny considering her and my bio dad never got married either lol. So it goes. Hubby and I are in no rush, and we'll do things when it's right for us, not when we "should" or "should have" according to everyone else. 😀 1 agrees Reply sorry, let me clarify that i agree with you when you say that having a set of wedding rings does NOT make you a better parent 🙂 it has nothing to do with parenting. the marriage is between you and your significant other – NOT the kid. 1 agrees Reply It has been my experience that no matter what choices you make, what type of family you have or how you choose to live your life, there will always be someone out there who disapprives and thinks they know the 'right' way for everyone to live. You can't please everyone, so instead focus on pleasing yourself, and doing what feels right for your family. The only important things is that your son lives in a loving home where he is supported and encouraged to thrive. I think it's awesome that you have chosen to do what works for you and yours. And, btw, I do happen to be married, with a daughter on the way, and still get all kinds of criticism. The ring on your finger isn't going to stop people from trying to tell you what's best for your child and your family. Thanks for sharing your story! 🙂 6 agree Reply Just wanted to add that my own parents were never married, and I think I turned out fine. 🙂 1 agrees Reply I agree that kid =/= marriage. It can be a HUGE mistake, kudos for seeing that. Marriage/commitment ceremony/handfasting doesn't make it all better or even forever. But I guess my thought is – why are you going to commit to making a life with someone, if you aren't sure you want to share all of your life with them? 7 agree Reply You know, you don't always need to raise children while romantically together. I understand it might be rare, but one of my friends was raised by her two parents who were unmarried and not together when she was young. She grew up with the loving support of four parents from a young age as both of her biological parents married in her childhood (not to each other). I think we need to be careful about making generalizations about what families need to look like, because sometimes they work out to be wonderfully different. 2 agree Reply My partner and I got engaged but agreed to think about the wedding after we'd had a baby. Call us crazy (and many did) but we actually wanted to start our family before we got wed. However, when we told our parents we were expecting we got asked "will you get married before the baby is born?" Er, no, this is the 21st century – keep up! My son took his dad's last name (we can do that in England) and I'll probably change my name too when we do get wed. I don't see it as anti-feminist; I believe feminism is about choice – I choose to change my name. Getting married won't make me a better parent than I am now; it won't change my relationship with my boyfriend; and it won't make much of a difference legally (what with the UK's National Health Service and the boyfriend having his name on the kiddo's birth certificate) we just want to do it. Well done for sticking to what you believe in and dismissing comments from anybody that isn't constructive. 1 agrees Reply With my old boy for nearly 12 years now, we have four kids together 9, 7, 5, 2. We actually got married just a few months ago, because the time seemed to be right. Have had a few odd comments here and there about why we didn't do it earlier. Most people assumed that we already were and we didn't bother correcting them. Marriage didn't seem hugely important, still doesn't really. Just shut a few people up by us doing it and had a cool party. Reply I agree and disagree at the same time. My partner and I were together for 2.5 years before I got pregnant, got engaged when I was 5 months, and now we'll be getting married when she is 7 months old. I got the opposite treatment- my mom & dad got married just because she was pregnant, so everyone in my family pretty much told me to be very cautious and DONT get married. Since we loved each other and knew being married was best for our daughter( all the tax breaks, health insurance, and laws about unmarried partners) there wasnt a better time to decide that with a child on the way. My thoughts were that we were going to get married or seperate happily. I wouldn't want to be trying to 'figure out' our relationship and put a child in the middle of that. And I don't think that getting married is trying to fix something, it's just another way people express their love. Well, it should be. I'm so glad you wrote this piece though, people seem to think the only "happy" home is one with two, married parents. Even being a single parent seems to be better than an unmarried couple. Reply My parents never married, either. It ended up working out because they separated, but both while they were together and after they broke up, I didn't realize anything was "weird" about my family. Then again, one of my best friends as a kid was the daughter of a high-class escort, and another had two moms, so maybe I just didn't see enough traditional married-mom-and-dad families to know that that was the norm. 🙂 One thing that's odd to me, though, is that people are saying their children are legally required to have the mother's name- where's that? I was born in California and I have my dad's last name. 1 agrees Reply I don't think anyone needs to be married to be great parents. My parents have been together over 30 years and have 2 kids. People assumed that my dad wasn't in the picture or that my brother and I were an accident when we were both very planned. They also questioned why we would take our dad's last name. My mom was even told she had options regarding carrying me until she frankly told them that I was planned and that her and my dad were thrilled to be having me. It's sad that after 30 years the assuptions are still there. Reply Thanks for sharing…although I'm married, and trying for a child very soon, I can appreciate both "sides". I think it's pathetic that this is still an issue. I've had many friends have babies with their significant others and not get married….some don't want to, some want to later in life. It shouldn't matter. People just do what if best for them-without judgment from others! I'm pretty sick right now, (why we aren't trying yet) with severe edema, which is mostly in my abdomen. I look about 7 months pregnant….I've given up explaining to people that I'm not. But anyways…I'm also so swollen I can't wear my rings (after having them sized 3 times already!)….and the looks I get are disgusting. It's a sad society we live in. 1 agrees Reply its funny about how i keep hearing about laws that kinda hurt unmarried parents….. i live in nj and i never thought there would be such a thing…. i'll have to check it out some more Reply My husband and I had been engaged for 4 months when we found out I was pregnant (however, we had been together for 9 years and had no doubt that we wanted to be married). We rushed the marriage for heath insurance reasons: my insurance sucked, and his is great. I don't believe that a domestic partnership was an option for us as a heterosexual couple, but I didn't really look into it. We were planning to get married, so we just did it sooner. We went to the County Clerk's Office with close family and friends in September, and we had a bigger "re-enactment wedding" with a larger group in December. Our party was beautiful, and now I can't imagine having done it the way I was initially planning. A year-long engagement where I (mostly by myself) have to orchestrate a gigantic party!?! The way we did it, we had so much help. Brian's parents hosted at their house, and other friends and relatives helped make it happen (with their money and time). So much less stress for me! And we got to focus on growing a healthy baby boy who will be here in May! (; Reply I love this post. I keep getting asked if my fiance and I are getting married before the baby comes (in 7 weeks!) and I just keep telling people no. We are engaged, and that is because I got pregnant, but we have enough life chaning stuff going on right now. We can't afford the kind of wedding we want at the moment and I can't wear the kind of dress I want and a whole slew of other things. Right now there are more pressing matters than a wedding. I've gotten a few people that tell me that we need to get married, but then they can't tell me why, with the exception that it is "god's will." And if that were true, god would have waited until after I was married to make my birth control fail. 1 agrees Reply We weren't married until our son was nine-months-old, though we were engaged… exactly two days before I tested positive for baby. We got a lot of, "Well, you should just get married in the courthouse now, and have the big wedding later," from my loving-and-well-intentioned very conservative in-laws — we wanted something that was special and unique. And we didn't want to shortchange ourselves just because we'd had some birth-control failure. We ended up planning the courthouse wedding in about two weeks, because we decided it was time to do it. I will say that from a legal standpoint, it's easier to share a last name with me son. I wasn't too pleased with having to sign a paternity affidavit in the hospital because we weren't married, and I had to tell everyone, "No, he'll have his father's last name — I will too, at some point." Maybe it would've been easier to have the wedding before he was born, but we're happy with what we did. 1 agrees Reply I agree 100%!! I am 30 years old and my parents just recently got married (for health insurance coverage). My parents were perfectly happy living together as a family, not married. They never let being married by law define their relationship and the morals they'd teach me. Although, I choose marriage was the route I wanted to go down. My husband and I choose to start a family before our wedding. When we decided to start a family, we had been engaged for 1 year. We tried for 10 months before becoming prego. We announced our pregnancy at our wedding. Even though everyone was extremely excited for us, people automatically assumed that we got pregnant by accident. It's sad when two adults can't make a decision on what they feel is right for their own family without people making judgements. Reply My boyfriends parents never got married (long story) and 30 years on they're still together and still very happy. Unless the different last names thing comes up you'd never know, most people do just assume they're married! Maybe one day society as a whole will learn that there are a lot of ways things can be done and no one way is 'right'. It's for each person and each couple to work out what's right for them! Reply i echo the voices of all the other ladies who have said that marriage has nothing to do with being able to raise a happy, healthy child in a stable home. i became pregnant when my boyfriend and i of 5 years were just getting back together after a 3 year hiatus. we weren't even sure we wanted to jump back into a relationship, let along get married! but when we found out i was pregnant we were sure we wanted this baby. so we took it one day at a time and decided marriage was completely unimportant at the moment, we wanted to focus on learning to be parents and being fully present for every moment of our son's life. now, our son turned 2 1/2 and the baby phase is almost over and we feel a sense of stability and confidence in our parenting and family life, we've been able to adjust slowly but surely at our own pace. and now we have decided to get married because we want to celebrate our life together in a symbolic way with all of the people we love. its all about finding your own timing and what feels right for you. screw everyone else. Reply I'm a very nontraditional type of a woman myself. I have kind of done everything backwards in my life but all in the pursuit of happiness. I was confused about men when I was a teenager and spent the first eight years of my young adult life in lesiban relationships all the while longing to find a guy I was comfortable with. Long storty short I found a wonderful man that I fell in love with, we are SO great together and we had a child togethera year ago now. We have been together for two and a half years and I just WISH everyone was as nontraditional with their views as I am. People constantly question you or look for a ring on your finger when you start talking about your child. I am one hundred percent happy with my relationship with my man and my daughter but I hate that I have that nagging M word in the back of my brain because of everyone's naggings. I also have a job that offers benefits to my entire family without being married, we also own two homes together, LITERALLY the only reason I want to be married is so I can stop hearing peoples mouths…..well aside from the fact that I am completely in love with him…but I want him to ask me when he is ready. Originally I didn't care if we got married five years from now but hearing my mom complain all the time about it, co workers, customers, etc. makes me feel like I am missing out on something, even though I know I am not. Another huge dissapointment to me is that I want everyone I know to be excited, including myself, when he pops the question….and not thinking FINALLY…what took so long? It is tough being nontraditional but constantly defending yourself to all the traditional, judgemental people out there. Reply Here's a slightly off-topic story from my family's history that I love – My mom was pregnant when my parents moved to Dallas and started to look for churches to go to. They chose the church that had the friendliest, kindest people in it – it was a real community. They found out later that since my mom had kept her last name, everyone at the church thought that they were an unmarried couple expecting a child. My parents definitely knew they were in the right community then. Reply Married people can be shitty parents-unmarried people can be shitty parents-married people can be great parents-unmarried people can be great parents. It all comes down to the fact that people will be the kind of parents they work to be, and the work of being parents won't get easier based on a legal document. Married couples can get benefits from the government but so can single mothers. It depends on the government and your joint income. 1 agrees Reply I remember when we were about to get married an older work colleague mentioned something I thought was particularly strange: He said something along the lines that 'marriage is a symptom of a responsible society'. I really got thrown off by that cos i thought…… people got married because they loved one another? and wanted to live together forever and ever, amen? somehow though, with time i tend to agree with some of this thinking. you love one another: 1. you don't have to have the million dollar wedding to get married. courthouse do's are trendy, simple and, if anything 'more' relevant legally than fancy church shindigs – so money is not necessarily even an issue when it comes to weddings. and 2. you love one another and are now going to have to raise a whole human being together unless one is completely unsure about their partner, the whole idea about marriage is that it's probably the most symbolic adult ritual we are ever going to experience – it indicates that one has grown up and found in themselves an ability to make a committment and put it out there in writing. something the world seriously is in need of: committed individuals ready to put money where their mouth is and honor their word this is aside from the legal rights it offers you – and trust me, when it comes to money and buying, mortgages, buying power (and the contracts that go between these), a marriage to someone is one of the small things that make a difference – and of course, has an impact in the worst case scenarios. 2 agree Reply AMEN SISSSTA. I am happy to see I'm not the only one to feel this way. And you're right. People really do give you crazy looks when you tell them you aren't, and aren't planning. Having a baby scares me enough without being tied to a whole OTHER person. If something bad happens I want it to be as easy as possible to cope, and to separate. I know dooming it from the beginning is bad karma…but I work in a law firm– which does a WHOLE LOT OF DIVORCES. Every month we do about 15… some are simple, and have no assets, etc, no fighting et… SOME of them are TERRIBLE. Which further deters me from ever getting married. I LOVE the person Im with. I dont want to be with anyone else but him. 2 rings make not a family, friends. Reply This is so common is Scandinavia… sadly it hasn't quite caught on over here yet. We get the opposite line of questioning ("You're married. When are you having a baby?"), and it's equally annoying. Just because a couple of people get married doesn't mean baby automatically follows. Just because a couple of people have a baby doesn't mean marriage automatically follows. 1 agrees Reply Exactly what I was thinking (I'm Swedish). Here, it is common to cohabit for several years before you get married (if you ever do get married), and many couples have children before they are married. There are only a few legal differences between being an unmarried or a married couple, mostly to do with inheritance and separation/divorce situations. An unmarried couple has no claim to each others wealth and possessions in case of a separation or the death of one party. Personally, I would get married if I knew I was pregnant, mainly because I would want the father to be a legal parent from the date of the child's birth. Otherwise, he would have to sign papers acknowledging his fatherhood, a bureaucratic process that can take weeks, even months, depending on the local social authorities. Also, because I think it's nobody's business whom I chose to have children with (an unmarried mother is according to law a single mother, even if she has a long-term relationship with the father, until he signs the papers). Reply It confuses me when people equate marriage with a stable "adult" relationship. Neither of these things requires the other. You can be married and in an unstable relationship, or in a stable relationship and unmarried, or vice versa. Marriage isn't a magic ticket to stability and responsibility. If you look at it frankly, marriage is a choice to involve legal bureaucracy in your relationship. There is nothing that says someone who chooses to opt out of this process cannot be a good parent or a responsible adult. The argument that you must be married to raise a child responsibly is totally a logical fallacy. Marriage is not the only sort of serious commitment out there; just ask the numerous gay couples who have been together for decades and have been unable to marry. 1 agrees Reply I totally agree with you. However, my husband's cousin and his girlfriend have two kids and they're not married and they have a sh*tload of legal problems here in France… it's not fair, and it doesn't even make sense, but apparently it's easier… 1 agrees Reply It is so very normal for couples to be together for decades and have kids together without a public record of their marriage. Whether for political protest or personal reasons, the choice is understandable. I've married lots of couples who have raised families and twenty years later decide to secure the license as a sort of "we made it" celebration or because it made some legal stuff easier. Others never do, but live wonderfully happy and secure. Stating vows is less meaningful than loving someone everyday. Reply My partner was raised Catholic, and is a couple religious choices beyond that now. His dad once told a friend of his that "since we're Catholic and none of the kids are married yet, there hasn't been an opportunity for grandkids." It took every single ounce of willpower I had not to point out that my partner and I are still discussing whether or not we will be married before we have kids, and that his son being raised Catholic has less to do with it than the tiny cyborg implanted in my girlybits! Reply Because we all know a child is less of a commitment than a marriage, amirite? 2 agree Reply Unfortunately in my country unmarried couples do not have equal rights to married couples. (I am in a monogamous hetro-relationship, sadly the situation is worse for my LGBT friends or those in poly-relationships) Because of the law in my country, my partner (who I have lived with for almost 4 years) is not my next of kin, if we had biological children he would not be legally considered their guardian as we are not married. The cost in legal fees to assign each other to next-of-kin (requires input from a medical professional, solicitor and judge ) and to assign him legal guardianship of his biological child (requires both of us to agree in court) is much greater than the €200 ($270) cost for us to get married. So, yes, if we found out that we were pregnant then we would get married as soon as possible. 2 agree Reply Word to Stefanie. I couldn't agree more. She brought up an excellent point of the "what ifs". You have to be prepared. If you don't want to be married, then I strongly suggest you talk to a lawyer and see what your legal rights are as a non-spouse if your partner is sick or hurt. Would you have the right to make their medical decisions if they were unable to speak for themselves? That scares me, a lot. You have that right to decide if marriage isn't for you(either now or ever) but please make sure(and double sure) your family is protected. 🙁 2 agree Reply Join the conversation Cancel Reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment No-drama comment policy Part of what makes the Offbeat Empire different is our commitment to civil, constructive commenting. Make sure you're familiar with our no-drama comment policy.